Андрей Нечаев: Особое мнение / 23.06.25

On Monday, June 23, at the microphone of Nikita Vasilenko.

Greetings to all viewers and listeners of the YouTube channel Live Gvost.

And we have a special opinion in our place, a special opinion of a politician, an economist, the first minister of economics, I will emphasize, of modern Russia, Andrey Nechayev.

Andrey Alekseevich, hello.

Good evening.

Usually, I say one more line from your title, Chairman of the Party of Civil Initiative, but not so long ago the Supreme Court decided on your liquidation.

Tell me, how was the last meeting and what is the future of the party members?

Well, first of all, you can safely continue to name my title, because

We have not yet received a decision from the court, but we will appeal 100% and plan to reach a constitutional court, at least.

Because in the law on which the Ministry of Justice is formally relying, trying to liquidate the party, there is, of course, a huge number

of indecision and uncertainty.

And we want to argue them in the Constitutional Court.

And if it succeeds, then we will have to change the decision of the Supreme Court.

Although I think you understand, and I started my speech in the Supreme Court with this, that it is your honor as a judge to speak like that.

And you understand that this is, of course, a political decision.

But at the same time, the Ministry of Justice, so very indifferently, I would say so delicately, came up with the task of finding a legal basis for the party's liquidation, since we are still imitating the life in the state of law, and you see, not with some kind of click, but through the decision of the Supreme Court.

Well, the Ministry of Justice, I repeat, is extremely

from our point of view, approached the search for this basis.

Andrei Alekseevich, and in the face of whom was the Ministry of Justice presented at the hearing of the court?

Two cute, two cute ladies, such ordinary performers.

But they tried, they honestly tried, they must give their due.

I, however, allowed myself a bad joke at the end.

Well, now we know the first candidates for the illustration.

when the situation changes.

Were they scared?

Well, they...

They also understand everything.

Because formally, according to the party law, the party must participate for seven years in various types of elections, and they are not summed up.

That is, either the election of the president, or the election of the State Duma, or the Zaks, or in 50% of the regions municipal elections.

But how to determine these seven years, the law does not fix it.

And here the Ministry of the Interior shows its full initiative to limit voluntarism.

We have not been lazy to analyze all the previous liquidations of the party on these grounds.

Well, at least there are three different options.

The fourth, the shortest, was applied to us.

For some reason, we began to count, we began to count these seven years from the moment when our candidate, Ksenia Anatolyevna Samchak, took part in the presidential elections.

Well, and although, in all logic, according to the explanatory letters of the same Miljust and other parties, in fact, in 1927 they should have taken part in the elections if we had not taken part in the elections.

But there is a second point related to why we asked to postpone this decision.

Because according to the law, if the elections are already announced and the party participates in them, and we, contrary to the suspicions of the Ministry of Justice, participate in the elections more than actively.

Now we have elected two regional candidates for governor.

In the Tula region, our president of the regional department has been elected to the legislative assembly, to the Tula oblast Duma.

And if the party is already participating in the announced elections, it cannot be liquidated.

Let me guess the logic of the Ministry of Justice.

They consider participation in the elections, if your candidate is already in the ballot box, it means there.

This is true.

This is what they consider when they put a tick, that you have fulfilled the norm.

But if the candidate is declared, then at this stage we participate in the election.

And by law, it is impossible to liquidate the regional department if it participates in the election of the legislative bodies of the regional authorities.

But, unfortunately, Judge Kirillov ignored this argument of ours, too.

Тут есть, конечно, тотальный трагефарс.

Because first of all, they don't let us go to the elections under some kind of thoughtless pretexts.

Here is the most striking example.

Our candidate to the presidency is Boris Nadezhdin.

The whole country saw huge queues, which, at least, were lined up in the surrounding cities to leave a signature in his support.

We collected 250,000 signatures instead of 100,000 by the code, but a certain unknown expert said that

The date was written in the signed sheets with the wrong hand.

Therefore, these signatures were not counted in support.

Well, of course, the situation is simply absurd, but here it is.

And I, unfortunately, can give you dozens of such examples.

For example, in Kalmykia, our list was not registered, because the party constitution does not say that the representative of the local regional department has the right to verify the list of candidates.

That is, he is an independent juridical person, he is the head of a juridical person.

In the constitution it is written that he represents the regional department in relation to all state bodies, commercial, public and so on organizations, but he cannot declare a list.

Well, I even give credit to creativity, but this, forgive me, is just, of course, stupid when it is like this.

They openly do not let the opposition party to the elections, and then they say, well, you don't participate in them much.

But I will repeat once again, we will continue the struggle now, we will file an appeal, then we will come, we have already agreed with our lawyers, by the way, the party is protected by the well-known right-wing defender Mikhail Beryukov and Alexey Vasilyev.

and at least get to the Constitutional Court.

But, in general, in any case, we will try to stay in the political field and continue our political work.

But in the most negative case, we will have to

to become a public organization with the right to nominate candidates for municipal elections.

There is such a form.

But I still hope that we will try to defend the party as a party.

Well, the main thing is that you really don't give up.

And yes, now I can definitely say that our guest is the chairman of the party of the Civil Initiative Andrey Nechayev.

But let's get back to your economic life.

I know that you visited the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

There were a lot of different topics that are now being discussed in the news.

As far as I remember, you even took part in the creation of the forum.

Well, I created a forum once.

I don't know if your listener Yegor Stroev remembers such a politician.

At that time, he was under the guidance of the Federation Council.

I just made the main economic report at the first forum, which was in the Tauride Palace.

Well, since then, I... And then, when he came up with the Federation Council, what did he need it for first of all?

Well, in principle, the goal remains the same, it's just that the propaganda aspect of this forum has now been increased.

The goal is a platform for exchanging opinions, for the search for some solutions.

Well, the plus is that now, unfortunately, it has become less relevant.

As we know, this is a platform where, as a rule, a point was set in various kinds of international economic contacts, international contracts were signed.

Well, since this is really such a significant event, at the beginning he was under the aegis of the Soviet Federation, for many years the president has been participating there regularly and has been speaking.

This year, by the way, he spoke for a fantastically long time, almost four hours were spent at the plenary meeting.

Well, this year a large number of

Other international leaders will not be able to boast.

There was only one head of the state, the recently elected president of Indonesia.

But nevertheless, some Western companies were represented at this forum, and some contracts were signed.

Therefore, formally, this forum also performed its function.

But the main thing is that it is such a discussion platform.

Moreover, as you understand, these discussions are both public and outside the scene.

Well, yes, the Kaluar program, it also has its own various effects and meanings.

This is also an important component of business and political negotiations, as we know.

But shortly before the forum, his interview was given by the assistant president of economics Maxim Oreshkin.

In particular, he stated that the country managed to activate the sleeping potential of the economy.

This is what he said in the context of the fact that Russia has been under sanctions for several years.

And he emphasized that especially the personnel and production potential

This led to its growth.

As a result, Russia was the first economy in Europe and the fourth in the world in terms of purchasing power.

But for the next leap, it is necessary to take not a step forward, but a step up to the next technological and organizational stage.

As I understand it, in principle, in many ways, the current MEF was devoted to this very search, how to make us not a step forward, but up to the next technological and organizational stage.

Well, I will resort to one of your words, that is, to buy...

It's not mine, it's Oreshkin's.

Let's... No, it's not even Oreshkin's, it's actually, oddly enough, the World Bank.

How I managed to organize this case, I just take off my hat in front of those who did it.

It's just a very important saying.

The parity of purchasing power.

I first wrote a dissertation on this topic, then it was part of my doctoral dissertation.

Believe me, the parity of purchasing power of the currency is rather art than science.

That is, with some effort, any parity can be established.

In this case, this parity, apparently, turned out to be very profitable for Russia.

I don't know what it was specifically, 30 rubles per dollar or 15 rubles per dollar.

Imagine what Russia has become in terms of parity of purchasing power, GDP in terms of parity of purchasing power.

in terms of volume, not in terms of soul, which, by the way, President Sanders himself talked about in the plenary session, has become supposedly the fourth largest economy in the world and the largest economy in Europe, which, to be honest, causes me some doubts.

Well, it's just such a bad saying.

In general, there was a lot of discussion about the state of the Russian economy at this forum.

and even, I would say, the economic authorities of the country are somewhat disillusioned.

Quite unexpectedly, the Minister of Economy, Reshetnikov, said that we are at the threshold of a recession.

Then the representative of the Central Bank chose a more delicate formula.

In fact, the same thing, that we entered the period of some cooling after the overheating, the inflationary overheating of the economy.

Anton Gervonovich Solovanov also used some kind of formula.

But the point was about the same, that

this period of really good economic growth, VVP of more than 4%, which really generated very powerful inflation, is behind.

And this year we will have one, maybe one and a half percent.

This is not a recession yet, but this is not the same rapid growth.

And I cannot but agree with

to Oreshkin that, of course, we need a different economy.

You can say as much as you want that now Russia is no longer sitting so tightly on the oil needle, or even more broadly on the raw needle, but it would be an exaggeration to say that we have become one of the technological leaders in the world.

Yes, there are some sectors, let's say, nuclear industry, part of arms production, part of IT technology, by the way, where we are really at a leading position in the world, but in general, we are, of course, unfortunately, far from technological leaders.

And if we go from, in my opinion,

a wrong paradigm, a wrong thesis, that we should become, all the same, such a self-sufficient economy, independent of the rest of the world, then

Then we urgently need technological breakthroughs.

Or, at least, not to fall into the trap that the Soviet Union fell into with the arms race.

We now have a significant amount of expenses in the VPC, despite the fact that the VPC is pulling the economy as a locomotive.

This is a separate topic.

Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, in his long speech, with a large economic part, he said that yes, of course, the BPC is now playing an important role, but not the only one.

And there are other sectors that are also growing.

But here the problem is different.

I apologize for repeating it, because I think I've already said it in your program, but nevertheless, this is a fact that is key and very sad.

This is the fact that when you grow due to VPC, the growth rate, which is sometimes inclined to some,

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Something in a few days, something in a couple of months, and nothing was added to the consumer market.

Therefore, the turning point of such growth, which was also talked about a lot on the forum, although in such optimistic tones, was high inflation.

Because all this giant defense and its allies, plus the army, plus mobilized salaries received, some other payments received to the consumer market, came, and there was nothing added in terms of the saturation of consumer goods.

However, literally in the last 2-3 weeks, according to official data, the inflation rate has slowed down a little.

As a result, the Central Bank, I honestly wrote on my Telegram channel that

such a bone has been thrown to his opponents and political opponents, the reduction of the key rate by 1 percentage point.

But nevertheless, there is some kind of minimum slowdown in inflation.

But let's just look at absolute figures.

It was two-digit, and now it has become 9.6.

But 9.6 is far from 4, which the Central Bank once, not long ago, showed its inflation target.

The growth of consumer prices by 4%.

Well, now, according to official data, we have 9.6 after some slowdown.

So I want to say, well, thank you for that.

Well, here, you see, the trouble is that

Many housewives may not agree with the growth rate, and then it even appears in more active social networks, when they complain about the fantastic growth in prices.

And plus, the long-known truth, there is even such a common expression among economists, that inflation is a tax on the poor, which has much less space for choice in terms of the consumer's view.

And for them, this is really a direct, strong blow to the standard of living.

If the workers of the VPC, whose salaries have grown, they compensate with these salaries, then, let's say, for pensioners, this is just a direct deterioration, a decrease in the standard of living.

By the way, recently,

A couple of weeks ago, probably, we were announced that there will soon be an increase in the tariff of GDP by 13%, and in some regions by 21%.

This is when it comes to the issue of real inflation.

Yes, you just reminded me.

I think most of our viewers and listeners scratched themselves in the area of the place where they keep their wallets.

Where did these numbers come from, by the way?

It is clear that something was calculated and invested there, including the wear and tear of the infrastructure.

But still, can you explain with your fingers how the final decision is made, how to increase such a noticeable and significant for the wallet of a Russian man as the prices of the GKH?

Unfortunately, the increase in costs is not a key factor.

This is taken by the State Commission, since these are regulated tariffs.

And then it's just a matter of lobbyists.

the skills, efforts, and capabilities of those representatives, that is, the GDPR, the housing authority, and so on, which this commission requires to raise these rates.

They could, by the way, demand 16, but then they found such a compromise.

But formally, in the comments, it was based on

the increase in tariffs on electricity, the increase in tariffs on gas, and, as you rightly noted, the weariness of the networks.

However, I have heard about the weariness of the networks as a factor in the increase in housing and utilities tariffs for at least 20 years.

But somehow they are all worn out and worn out.

That is, they take money from us, some time ago they introduced separate, as you know,

And now everything is somehow...

Yes, you said the key word correctly.

Let's go back to the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

It seems to me that before Putin's speech, the most quoted was the speech of a deputy who is responsible for the economic life in the State Duma, that is, he has a good weight in economic matters.

This is Deputy Andrei Makarov.

He spoke at the breakfast of the Sberbank.

In particular, he said the following.

First, he made a light joke that foreign companies are in no hurry to return to Russia, although we have already established the rules by which they will return, and they are not going to.

Well, yes, this is such a tear in the eyes joke.

But at the same time, he noticed that the main problem, I quote, is that there is no institution to protect the rights of property in the court, regardless of who you are addressing or who you are arguing with.

And again, recently,

the trial period began to be calculated not from the moment when the event occurred, but when the prosecutor's office found out about it, or she didn't like it.

And how relevant are these words of MP Makarov?

Absolutely.

By the way, in one of the sessions where I was...

In other words, but Elvira Nabiulina was already talking about this,

Well, this topic generally hangs in the air.

One of the main negative factors of a bad investment climate in Russia is unprotected property.

at least at the level of the real right to use.

The very last example that we received just a few days ago is the withdrawal, well, such a significant one, if you want, of the company from its owners, Domodedovo airport.

Well, more precisely, this is a huge complex, not only, in fact, the runway.

This is not the first attempt, because the object is very attractive, economically sweet, but this time, it seems, the final point has been set for private owners.

This object is taken away.

A separate example is the practice of taking ownership of foreign companies.

This can be motivated by various kinds of political upheavals, but the fact, nevertheless, is there.

Foreign investors have taken ownership of foreign companies.

Well, after that, to expect that in the near future, if the situation changes dramatically, geopolitically, a stream of foreign investments will flow, I'm afraid it would be naive.

But, unfortunately, such examples of post-privatization

ownership, and in many cases, when this property did not have anything to do with privatization at all.

Such examples, Domodedovo is the last and one of the brightest, but we can bring at least a dozen more применительно крупным компаниям, не говоря уже о массовой практике изъятия мелкой собственности в

in municipalities.

In this sense, I would like to refer to Vladimir Putin's speech and, in particular, to what the news release highlighted.

In particular, they wrote about the strategic vector of the work of the authorities, which consists of actively and consistently changing the structure of the domestic economy.

And despite the work done, as Putin diplomatically goes,

It is critically important to move forward, especially taking into account the radical changes in the world.

In his opinion, in the opinion of Vladimir Putin, the Russian economy should change in five directions.

Let's analyze these five directions together.

First, says Vladimir Putin, the change in the labor market and the consumption structure.

How?

Well, now, first of all, we need to overcome the obvious wedge on the labor market.

Because, on the one hand, this is really a record low unemployment.

This is true.

But, on the other hand, there is a direct deficit of many specialties.

In particular, qualified workers,

engineering personnel, so-called middle hands, practicing engineers, the deficit of IT people, where we were, by the way, I already told you about this, one of the best leaders in the world, but because it was IT people who emigrated a lot, and then they were forbidden to work, at least in state companies, abroad.

And this has extremely negative consequences, because employers, especially now, when the golden rain of budget money is pouring on the military-industrial complex, in the broad sense of the word, and it needs additional personnel, and there is just a serious struggle between employers for the workforce.

And it ends with the increase in nominal salaries,

And this slow action mine, for at least a couple of years, our salary growth is ahead of labor productivity growth.

By the way, my colleagues economists also talked about this at the forum.

And this is a slow action mine.

After that, you can forget about any struggle with inflation if you enrich the economy with money, and the growth of production in Jordan does not increase your supply of goods.

Therefore, this is the first and most important problem that now needs to be solved in some way.

And you can't solve it just for the sake of migrants.

But our migration policy is so, you know, isolationist.

Don't come to us, because we are not happy with you here.

As if this is how it is instilled in the mass consciousness.

Well, indeed, a powerful migration wave has brought huge social problems.

And the growth of crime, and conflicts on the national soil.

As you understand, not Europeans come to us, but people with a different mentality, with different traditions, with different morals, with different religions, and so on.

And this is a source for very serious conflicts.

And we just observe these conflicts with you every day in different Russian regions.

But on the other hand, let's say,

low-paid staff and low-quality workers, this migration wave has to some extent closed the problem.

Although, unfortunately, I had to go to the clinic once in a while, I see more and more migrant doctors.

That is, more qualified workers began to arrive.

I cannot assess the quality of their medical education, but nevertheless, they exist.

But still, in general, these are low-qualified workforce, which occupied the corresponding niches in our labor market.

But taking into account all the problems that this migration wave has brought and will bring, of course, solving the problems at the labor market would only be noticeable.

In this sense, it turns out that we only have one way out, in fact, but it is somehow unspoken that it is necessary to stop shooting and return men from the war so that they take jobs.

Well, I would also say the second point is to slightly unscrew the nuts.

from the point of view of political repressions, so that we do not have official figures, only official assessments, or assessments through other countries, but from a million to one and a half million, and people, as a rule, educated, as a rule, of a working age, left.

Well, in order for them to return, it is necessary

Stop fighting for a few years for likes in the social network.

What strange solutions do you suggest?

It's a mess, a mess.

You know, after your offer to stop fighting, my offer sounds just...

Let's go back to Vladimir Putin and his five vectors.

The second vector is exactly what we talked about earlier, the new quality of the investment climate.

And again, the question is how, given that we observed what happened at Domodedovo airport, and even Putin said about it, and, you know, so negligently, as if nothing had happened, just, I don't even know, some kind of ordinary event in the economic life of Russia.

Well, I repeat, the first is protected property in real use.

The second is the maximum restriction of interference of officials in general, and security officers especially, in the current economic life of enterprises.

and companies, because our level of interference is both formal and informal.

It's just out of the question.

We know a lot of examples.

Look at the first point in parallel, the removal of property as a result of the actions of the security forces.

of criminal cases, under the pretext of which property is actually taken away.

In the field of tax administration, too, it is necessary, of course, to achieve...

I am directly proposing a program for the entire party.

Yes, yes, yes, it turns out directly according to the bundles.

in order to achieve a real equality between the debtors, the debtors and their patients, their clients.

It is formally stated in our tax code, but in reality, of course, this is not at all the case, and any tax authority can arrest the accounts,

to ban payments, that is, to really paralyze the life of the enterprise for even formal violations.

One thing is that the enterprise really deviated from the science.

Yes, you have to fight this.

And fight seriously.

But if they were two days late in creating a report,

without causing any damage to the country, and they are fined a huge fine for it.

That's a different story.

Therefore, the real protection of the taxpayer from the fraud of the tax authorities is a component of the investment climate.

They have just led to the third vector from Vladimir Putin.

There he says the following, that Russia needs the development of technology, but this is clear, everything is obvious here.

I emphasize, the regulatory environment in this sphere.

And when Vladimir Putin says regulatory, I'll put it differently, pressure on the environment, the development of this environment, what does he mean?

Does he mean twisting the nuts, or does he understand the situation, that some kind of liberalization is needed?

He uses such a terrible word.

Well...

I don't know, I haven't talked to him personally for a long time, although we know each other.

But I sincerely hope that he meant, of course, the reduction of this regulatory

and I would add, controlling, licensing, and other activities of the state machine for business.

This is a very important aspect, but not the only one.

After all, the most important thing, again, I apologize for probably repeating myself, is the competitive environment, which, unfortunately, is now suppressed in Russia.

and is getting more and more suppressed.

More than 70% of the GDP of the country is the product of state-owned companies.

We have 9 out of 10 major banks, in short, these are state-owned banks.

In the overwhelming majority of sectors of the economy, the key role, and sometimes the monopoly role, is played by state-owned companies.

The classic example is Transneft, an absolute monopoly.

And it is the competitive environment, and it is in private businesses.

I don't want to offend anyone, but why should Transneft or even, it's scary to say, RZD, which is almost a monopoly, why do they need innovation?

Everything is not bad for them.

Their only task is to convince the State Commission on tariffs.

They need to raise the tariffs once again.

Otherwise, everything is not bad for them.

Well, it would also be good to get state investments.

Or some kind of subsidies.

Or some kind of grants.

Or some kind of loan credits.

And so on.

And it is precisely when this damned capitalist bastard wants to get extra profit for some time at least, or to take up a new niche on the market, or to create a new niche on the market, as I have said more than once, what is the greatness of Steve Jobs?

He created an absolutely new niche of working with information.

And now we all in the world are users of this product, a new way of receiving information, transmitting information, processing information.

And it is perfectly fair that the Apple company has become a so-called unicorn, that is, with more capitalization.

trillion dollars, because it has created a new niche in the market, which is now a significant part of our consumption.

We eat there 40 minutes a day, and on the Internet we sit, well, some also 40 minutes, and some 12 hours.

Yes, in fact, these are terrible numbers, I must admit.

processing, receiving, presenting, perceiving, and so on, information.

And such innovations are born in the context of a competitive environment.

And if you suppress it, then you can go to forums as much as you want, issue decrees, even issue laws.

Recently, a very funny law was adopted.

then you need to create a purely Russian messenger.

But Pavel Durov somehow managed to get around the lawlessness and created Telegram, which is used by the whole world.

He has his own problems there.

But we looked at our neighbor on the party, there is a Chinese WeChat, and there, in fact, a messenger is needed in order to control the whole life in society, in the country.

Well, this is a separate question.

Do you use this messenger and do you give access to personal data?

Now this topic has become more widespread, marketplaces are offered to use it, where we also give our information and order it.

Marketplaces protested against this information with the right bodies, but now I'm talking about something else.

I mean, when there is competition and a private initiative, then, for example, telegrams appear.

And the law, of course, is a good thing, but according to the law, so far, at least, we haven't seen anything like it.

Yes, this is certainly a reason to think, given that the creativity of the peoples of Russia, in fact, must be recognized as very good.

But let's finish with Vladimir Putin today, otherwise we have spent too much time, although yes, there is a lot of really important things at the end.

I ask you to use other phrases.

Let's finish with Vladimir Putin.

No, no, I'm in a good sense, we'll finish with his program speech at the Petersburg International Economic Forum.

In principle, I'll go ahead right away.

With his wise program speech.

Well, listen, here you have to agree, one way or another, the government of the Russian Federation and many other performers will be guided by it.

But about the fifth point, going forward, I will say, there is talk that it is necessary to modernize the sphere of defense of the industrial complex, it should become more technological.

This is logical, flexible, and economically effective.

This is clear.

This is what we discussed a little earlier in the context of the fact that the PCA is our locomotive of the economy.

But the fourth direction that Vladimir Putin has outlined is the new quality of foreign trade in Russia, which is characterized, among other things, by the increase in oil and gas exports and changes in the import structure.

for me it sounded somehow incomprehensible, because it seems that we are going to get off the oil and gas needle, we are still looking for these methods, where else to get income sources, and here, from the words of the President of the Russian Federation, there is a feeling that we are not going anywhere from the oil and gas component of our economy.

This is just an element of controversy, because Vladimir Vladimirovich explained that we are not afraid of sanctions.

In particular, we are not afraid of the sanctions that the West is now actively using and is going to expand them.

But while our loyal friend Orban interferes with this,

But I don't know how long other members of the EU will have patience in this regard.

And he was asked this question, including about these so-called secondary sanctions.

Sanctions against the shadow fleet, which is actively used by Russia to export oil and oil products, first of all.

And secondary sanctions against the consumers of Russian oil, if the price ceiling is not maintained.

These sanctions are really very dangerous.

And, in fact, Vladimir Vladimirovich said that we are not afraid of them, how to properly organize the shadow fleet there, we will definitely come up with it.

And our new oil buyers, they are not afraid of your Western sanctions, and if they are scared, we will find a third one.

Therefore, in this context, he said that we would preserve our oil and gas exports.

I listened to his speech, I do not emphasize that it will remain the basis of the Russian economy, although so far it is still there.

around a third of the income is given.

Therefore, we have not yet reached the end of the needle.

There, the talk was about applying it to the military-industrial complex, it was about something else.

This is really a very interesting, very serious problem.

It is that it is necessary to develop double technologies there to the maximum.

That is, while we are at war, they make tanks, and if we stop, so to speak, fighting, then they will start making electric cars, for example, civilian ones.

This is indeed a very ambitious and interesting task, but I can tell you responsibly that after this rapid increase in the power of the military-industrial complex, sooner or later it will still happen to us in the coming years.

It will be necessary to solve a very difficult conversion task.

Here, again, as far as you know, the lessons of the 90s, because in the 90s it was a failure, it seems to me.

I did this in my time in the government, and we came up with all sorts of special mechanisms in order to facilitate the conversion process.

Well, in particular, I came up with it, and we implemented it in the practice of so-called conversion loans.

that is, interest-free state loans, if they provide for the conversion of defense production.

Of course, at that time the situation was much more dramatic than it is now.

A monster of the Soviet Central Bank and an absolutely poor budget.

Now the situation is much better.

Well, we have almost recreated the monster, but the situation with the budget, although there are its problems, of course,

There is nothing in common, thank God, with what we got in the hands at the end of 1991-1992, when it was just one continuous, active hole.

But nevertheless, the conversion of defense production is a difficult and quite painful process, and we will have to deal with it.

I can't say when yet,

But nevertheless, in the foreseeable future, we will definitely have to deal with it.

One of the ways is an attempt to develop dual technologies, but unfortunately, they are not always applicable, let's say, in some strategic missiles.

Yes, you can put nuclear weapons there, and you can put a dog, a squirrel or a cosmonaut.

And Yuri Gagarin.

I almost didn't say that myself.

I just took a step forward.

And somewhere it's completely different technologies, and it's quite difficult to make them double.

But the fact is that we will have to solve this task.

Well, at least some limits have already been set.

It will be easier to work in this space.

And we don't have that much time left, literally five minutes before the end of the broadcast.

And now the news media are reporting that Iran...

launched six missiles on the territory of Qatar, and in particular, explosions have already been heard in the capital Doha, and it is also interpreted that the strikes were, of course, not on Qatar, but on the military bases of the United States of America, which are located there.

But regarding us, regarding Russia, this conflict between Israel and Iran and the economic consequences, first of all, of the oil market, how can they affect us in a bad or good way?

Well, as for the political aspect, we found ourselves, of course, in a very piquant situation.

Having just signed a treaty on strategic cooperation with Iran, which, one way or another,

probably some military aspects cannot be bypassed by the side at all.

But on the other hand, it is clear that we must now bomb Israel.

Absurd.

By the way, Putin is now ready to make a compliment to him.

He was asked this question, because the host was just from the Arab media.

at the plenary meeting, why Russia does not react.

He asked, how do you want us to react?

Well, we are ready to act as mediators.

Just don't forget that I immediately remembered Vysotsky, and there was such a song for a quarter of our people.

Vladimir Vladimirovich said, there are two million former immigrants from Russia and other countries of the former USSR.

This is almost or partially a Russian-speaking country, and we must also keep this in mind.

Therefore, politically, we, of course, were in a very losing position, because... Or vice versa, we can act as mediators, we can become reconcilers, and Putin will receive the Nobel Peace Prize.

Well, we can do it with intermediaries, but we don't see the readiness of either side, at least according to their public rhetoric, that they are ready to look for some kind of peaceful solution, which means that intermediaries are doomed to, well, if not to failure, at least to great difficulties.

But in terms of economic consequences,

we can be unconditional beneficiaries.

If Iran really covers the Armenian Strait, which, as you know, includes a quarter of the world's oil supplies, then there are different numbers, but the fact that oil can jump up to 120-130 dollars per barrel is absolutely real.

So far, oddly enough, the oil market is reacting rather hastily.

of some kind of jump-back growth, but nevertheless,

This probability is not excluded, and then Russia, of course, will become a serious beneficiary of this new situation in the oil market.

True, we sell to our new buyers with large discounts in relation to the prices at which we sold to Europe, but I believe that they will still have to go to raise the prices at which they buy from Russia.

as a result of the global growth of oil prices.

And this, of course, will be a huge benefit for the Russian budget, which is now experiencing serious problems.

Therefore, here in the Kremlin, it will be necessary to look for such a complex compromise as not to look politically like a loser,

while receiving serious economic dividends from this escalation of the situation.

Well, not to mention that it, of course, distracted the attention of the world public and, first of all, the US administration from the Ukrainian conflict.

After all, in many respects, of course,

And this, of course, is also a big plus for our government.

Today, it seems to me, we had a rather programmatic conversation in every sense, because you quoted the program of the Civil Initiative Party on various economic issues.

I just wanted to say that since we quoted it, and the program, I hope, the listeners liked it in the quoted part, let's support the party together and fight for its preservation.

In addition, we have also talked about the current economic situation in Russia, which, as it seems to me, allows us to make economic, political and other social conclusions for our listeners and viewers.

Thank you very much for that.

And I will remind you once again that the economist, chairman of the Party of the Civil Initiative Andrei Nechayev was our guest.

Thank you very much and thank you to everyone who was with us today.

See you soon.

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