Anti-Spy Phone CEO on Pegasus, Israel Link Allegations & Erik Prince | Joe Weil • 339

Joe Weil, CEO of Unplugged, discusses his journey from Apple to building the privacy‑first UP Phone, addressing data harvesting, privacy, and the tech industry's shift toward open‑source solutions. He reflects on personal growth, values‑driven design, and the challenges of censorship and political pressures. The interview covers topics from the iPhone boom to AI harvesting, with timestamps marking key moments. 00:00 Intro 00:54 Back Door, iPhone Boom, Ad Overload, Apple + Google, Change It 09:54 Fixing Youth, UpPhone Time Away, Apple Roots, Sobriety, Living Script 30:54 Miracle, Rehab, Sobriety, Becoming Christian, Saw Jesus 39:54 Childhood Abuse, God Before Rock Bottom, Idols, Miracle Factory 49:54 Vulnerability, Recovery, Imposter Syndrome, Losing Father 59:54 Labels, Day 1 at Apple, Values‑Driven, 10 Years at Apple 01:09:54 Demo Culture, Ideation, COVID Rethink, Politics at Apple 01:18:54 Censorship, Leaving Republic, Elon & Twitter, Founders Warning 01:27:54 Privacy, Data Harvesting, 210K Packets, Better Products 01:42:54 Apple Tracking, Erik Prince, Israel Concerns 01:53:54 Byron Tau, Israel, Pegasus, Kill Switch, Data Wipe 02:05:54 Nothing Impenetrable, UpPhone Experience, Open Source, Deindustrialization 02:15:54 Assembly in America, $100 Loss Worth It 02:23:54 CCP Scrutiny, Apple in China, Blurred Platforms 02:38:54 Innovate, Apple Grave Digging, Tim Cook, Ad Cartel 02:49:54 Be Ready, Unrestricted Warfare, Consumer Decisions, Ad Data Deck 02:59:54 Tradeoff, AI in Harvesting, Real vs Fake, Research Aid 03:09:54 AI Relationships, LLM Risks, Catastrophes & Inventions 03:15:04 Joe's work