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And not only, we will discuss with Ivan.

At 9.20, economic observers Vyacheslav Shiraev and I will join us.

Let's talk about yesterday's meeting of Vladimir Putin with Russian businessmen, with Russian business.

And I must say that if you saw it, then you probably have a huge amount of emotions inside, when you look at it.

At least it was like that for me.

You know, half of me still couldn't understand what he was talking about at all.

Well, it's clear that these phrases like wetting and so on, it all sounds very loud, but sometimes, if you look,

You can't understand who it is directed to.

It's about people, it's about business, it's about what it's about.

Well, of course, I think that we will discuss it with Vyacheslav.

And, of course, the questions about IT, when Vladimir Putin was asked.

You know, usually, when a person asks a question or discusses a topic with him,

And they say, well, you probably read this or you know this.

And people are often like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

In fact, they just don't really understand what they're talking about.

They just say, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, to quickly switch from topic to topic.

When Vladimir Putin talked about IT, there was exactly such a feeling.

Well, in general, let's talk about this in more detail with Vyacheslav Shiraev.

After Vyacheslav Shiraev, Mikhail Gurievich, the author of the Koli Khodashev telegram channel, will join us.

journalists from Israel and yesterday the news came about the fact that Hamas agreed to offer bids to cease fire with Israel, will it actually work as Israel reacts to all this, let's talk to Mikhail, but at 10-20 a special guest came to us, Vladimir Fisenko, to join us, we haven't talked for a long time,

somehow calmed down, it seems to me that all the conversations around the truce are not heard about any new meetings

the exchange seems to have ended, and somehow, well, I want to understand what further actions.

Yes.

I would remind you that Lavrov, in my opinion, said that just his offer to stop the fire, these conditions that must be followed, Moscow must declare just after the exchange of a thousand by a thousand ends, it has already happened, but so far it seems that

This card did not fall to the table.

It is really interesting.

We will discuss with Vladimir Fisenko, probably, Trump's statement.

Does his rhetoric change?

These statements that Putin has gone crazy, how to relate to them, all these questions.

Vladimir Ofisenko, of course, we will ask.

Well, right now, morning news release from our partners, Telegram channel Echo News.

The main thing for this hour.

The Ministry of Defense of Russia reported 99 Ukrainian drones shot down overnight over Russian regions.

More than half of their number came to the Belgorod region.

According to the military, another 25 BPLs were destroyed in the Voronezh region, the rest in the Vladimir, Kaluga, Tula, Rostov and Lipetsk regions.

Due to air attacks, the work was stopped by the airports of Ivanovo, Kaluga, Nizhny Novgorod, Tambovo and Yaroslavl.

Donald Trump is considering the possibility of imposing sanctions against Russia this week, according to Wall Street Journal.

According to the publication, the American president is disappointed with the Russian attacks on Ukraine and the slow pace of negotiations.

He intends to pressure Vladimir Putin and force him to go to a 30-day truce, the newspaper reports.

Russians in Thailand began to block accounts.

Complaints come to the main bank of the country, Bangkok Bank.

This is reported by the TAS agency.

The injured Russians told Telegram channel Mesh that in the financial department they were offered to withdraw money, after which the service was stopped.

There is nothing to say about the reasons for such a decision.

Cards continue to work for clients with long-term visas, as well as

владельцев недвижимости в Таиланде и те, кто состоит в браке с местными жителями.

Samsung has stopped using Russian metals in its displays.

According to the report, the South Korean manufacturer previously worked with 11 suppliers from the Russian Federation, but in 2024 refused to buy from them.

Samsung has not been explained whether this is due to concerns about getting under secondary sanctions or the reason is something else.

Twenty-seven people were hospitalized after the car hit a crowd in Liverpool.

More than the same number of victims were put on the spot.

This is reported by the doctors.

The police detained the driver.

This is a 53-year-old local resident.

The law enforcement officers do not consider the version of the terrorist attack.

Romanian politician Giorgescu, who sensationally won the first round of presidential elections last year, is leaving politics.

He announced that now he decided to pay more attention to his family.

After the victory of Giorgescu, the Romanian authorities canceled the voting results due to suspicions of Russia's interference in the election process.

On the Moscow and Podmoskovye housing market in the first quarter of 2025, the share of alternative deals has grown sharply, when in return for the apartment sold, the owner immediately receives another housing.

As the merchant writes, they have become 30% more than a year earlier.

Such deals were popular in the middle of the 2000s due to the lack of mortgage.

These are the main news for this hour.

You know, I want to bring a little bit of cringy news into this list that you have.

Well, you talked about the main thing, you know, and I want to ask you and our viewers a little bit about the funny and strange things.

I'm sure everyone saw this video with Emmanuel Macron yesterday.

Everyone has seen it.

Have you seen it, Volodya?

Well, we're talking about those shots.

In Vietnam.

Filmed in Vietnam.

Showed the president's board in France.

Only the door opens and you can see how Macron is standing.

And someone...

Well, it's not even to call it a blow, it's not to call it a slap in the face.

What do you mean, not to call it a slap in the face?

To call it a slap in the face.

Well, it seems to me that if we just can't show it to you, I would be happy to show it to you, but you've probably seen, I'm addressing our viewers, you've probably seen this video, how Emmanuel Macron is leaving, he must leave the plane, and the door is already open at the plane, and there they lick him on the face, actually, and literally, he's like this, a little bit.

No, it's all his wife.

And in a few frames, you can see how he and his wife, Brigitte, get out of the plane.

It must be said that Emmanuel Macron has already commented on this.

He said that it's all... Now I'll even read it to you.

God, what did he say?

It was the moment when the president... No, wait.

I just lost the quote.

In general, he says that people have nothing to do, they discuss it, we just played.

We were just fooling around.

We were just fooling around, and this is why geopolitical scandals are blowing up.

Oh, they will show us a photo now.

Come on, thank you very much.

They will show a photo of how, in fact,

a woman's hand with a red sleeve is painted on the face of the president of France and, accordingly, you can see below how he is moving away.

Now look at these shots.

I don't know whether you believe them or not, whether you believe Macron that they were just fooling around or something else, but you know, yesterday, remembering this, I remembered a few

I'll tell you about one funny episode when there was a scandal in the Oval Office, not the scandal that you just thought of, but a scandal with Bill Clinton and a scandal of sexual character, I'll tell you so.

So, the White House security service watched Hillary Clinton

just shouted wildly and threw themselves at Bill Clinton.

And they didn't know what to do.

Because, on the one hand, this is a threat to the first person, and on the other hand, excuse me, these are domestic quarrels.

Everything happens.

You know, I look at it so calmly.

I condemn myself, but I look at it so calmly.

Of course, there was no geopolitical scandal because of this, but

But there are many interesting conversations around it.

And whether you believe it or not, write in the chat.

And how much does Emmanuel Macron's wife really care about you?

Well, it's interesting that this situation, it would seem, is some kind of scandal that has nothing to do with politics.

But the Russian media is already actively commenting on this story.

Maria Zakharova, the official representative of the diplomatic department, told that the world was blown away by the footage, on which Macron gets a right hook from his wife on the arrival of the presidential board in Hanoi.

Well, it's not interesting, but what will the Kilesian Palace do this time as a

The legend of the next Emmanuelle Gate.

It's just a napkin, but they didn't mention a spoon for sugar and coffee.

What did Zakharova suggest this time?

The first lady decided to cheer her husband up with a gentle stroking on the cheeks and didn't count the strength.

She gave him a napkin, but missed.

Maybe it was the hand of the Kremlin, ironizes Zakharova.

Well, in Russian media, it seems to me, always happy people.

to make fun of Western leaders and thus also beat the representatives of the European Union.

It's funny to watch the reaction to all this.

I told you a funny episode from the US administration.

It's really about how to act and protect.

You have a threat to the first person, but on the other hand, you won't say, Mr. President, what your wife is doing.

Probably, you can't say that.

But the security guards have to answer first.

Our viewers funny write,

I appreciated your humor, Mr. PD.

This is the end of his political career, career or episode, to start a negotiation.

But it is clear that this is not his political career in any way.

It is possible that only his wife will be accused in abusive relationships by Macron's fans.

But I think that this is the end of it.

But it is curious how Russian propaganda coped with all this.

And indeed, first a napkin with cocaine, more precisely,

If we talk about how Russian propaganda reacts, it is worth paying attention to how

Donald Trump's statements were received, left the day before in the social network True Social, in which he just said that Vladimir Putin went crazy.

To be completely accurate and honest, let's say that immediately in this post it was expressed

Criticism towards Vladimir Zelensky.

However, such statements towards Vladimir Putin from the country of the 47th President of the United States have not yet sounded.

On the contrary, Vladimir Putin has always tried to respond warmly.

But what did Peskov say to this?

said that this is just an emotional reaction.

This is a very responsible moment, which is, of course, associated with the emotional overload of all absolutely and emotional reactions.

We closely monitor the entire reaction.

At the same time, President Putin makes the decisions that are necessary to ensure the security of our country.

Another point that we also pay attention to

How did these words and, in general, did their Russian propaganda notice them?

In the news releases of Russia 1 at 11 a.m. and Channel 1 at 12 a.m., Trump's statement was not covered in any way, but both TV channels noticed another event that happened the day before.

The gesture of the wife of President of France Emmanuel Macron, whom they interpreted as a quarrel of spouses.

Well, I think this is also quite interesting.

At the same time, there is another point, which is also connected with propaganda, with the press, and with the fact that they are trying to influence public opinion in one way or another.

Did Putin himself order them with such a question?

Oh, it's about Charlie Hebdo.

Charlie Hebdo in court.

Yes, indeed.

there they noticed that social networks began to appear, and we talk about this quite a lot, and this is not only related to Charlie Hebdo.

We understand that there is a whole network of disinformation, apparently, which is led by people from Moscow, and we understand that

They are trying to make collages with non-existent phrases of Hollywood stars, who, for example, support Moscow in its aggression against Ukraine.

All this was.

But there is the same story, which is directly related to the covers of Charlie Hebdo.

As Figaro reports, the lawyer of Charlie Hebdo, Dershaw Malka, reported, on the Internet there were covers imitating the style of the publication and...

using the signatures of his artists.

Who is behind this mystification?

We don't know yet.

Therefore, they filed a complaint against an unidentified person.

All these clumsy fakes have one common trait.

They blacken Ukraine, dare to support

Europe and France to President Vladimir Putin.

And sometimes rumors about the gender identity of Brigitte Macron are spread.

You begin to wonder if Putin himself ordered them.

We are talking about an almost industrial approach that is gaining momentum.

There are many covers made very high quality.

The idea behind this is clearly similar to pro-Russian propaganda.

Well, the reaction of Charlie Hebdo has already turned to court and demands that the names of those and organizations of people who are engaged in this are named.

Well, earlier, Proverna Media reported that about the Kremlin Telegram channel published at least 70 fake covers of various satirical journals.

Approximately every third of them was fake caricature from Charlie Hebdo.

Yes, but it is certainly curious.

You know, when you read the statements of the magazine itself, which wants to figure it out, it is also important to understand who the customer is.

Well, I think it won't be difficult to find out, to be honest.

Apparently, they just kept silent for a long time, they didn't pay much attention to it, and there was a huge number of fake covers.

But we live in such a world where it is very difficult to understand whether it is fake or true.

Now they even fake videos, and often you can't figure it out with a non-professional point of view whether it really happened or not.

Whether this person actually said something or not.

That's why it's quite difficult.

But it's good that there are

Well, the judicial process is good, yes, in this sense it will be possible to figure it out.

I understand the colleague perfectly well, because if you don't do something, and they don't do it on your behalf, it's very unpleasant.

Well, Ira, we understand that this is one of the tasks of propaganda.

You need to come up with so many excuses, stories, explanations of one fact or another.

Well, that's how it was, for example, with the Malaysian Boeing, if you remember, which was just shot down

but over the territory of Ukraine, the Russian missile Buk, which has already been established by the court.

And as soon as this happened, Russian propaganda immediately began to tell that from the side

There was a message that there were dead people in this plane.

This was a certain idea.

There were other messages and so on.

Accordingly, every person can find for himself some version that explains something to him, or vice versa, he can start and stop believing in anything at all.

Well, they lie to everyone who we can trust in such a world.

We present different opinions here not to confuse you, but on the contrary, to show how they try to manipulate public opinion, and this is what propaganda is designed for.

Yes, you are absolutely right.

You just need to figure out how and what.

But in general, to be honest, I want to...

It seems to me that we were forbidden to do this, but I will try.

In general, a new YouTube show has been released by one unwanted edition called Meduza.

Yes, it's called, but we don't know.

That's how it's called.

And I must say that our colleagues are trying to figure it out.

This is exactly what Russian propaganda has to do with.

I'll read the headline for you.

A clown, a loser, a moron.

Russian diplomats often allow themselves to be, to put it mildly, undiplomatic.

Why are they always whining, trying to figure out Meduza?

This is our first conversation with Alexander Gabuev, the director of the Berlin Center of Carnegie for the Study of Russia.

But why did they talk to Alexander?

Because in addition to the fact that he is in Carnegie,

He is an international journalist and used to be part of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

In general, every person who has ever been part of the Russian Foreign Ministry knows that there were always their own peculiarities.

It is interesting that now, in addition to what you are telling, the rhetoric of not only diplomats but also commentators is changing.

Go on.

Well, what can I say?

It's really interesting to see how the rhetoric has changed.

It has changed quite a long time ago, I must say.

In general, with the appearance of Maria Zakharova, the rhetoric in the Russian media has changed quite seriously.

But on the other hand, what do we expect?

Look at Vladimir Putin's speech yesterday.

You just open it, and if you don't even want to watch the performance, I understand you, it happens, but you can look at the quotes.

But if there are no quotes, then it's some kind of court statement, I'm sorry.

Absolutely.

Well, even during the vote, let's remember, Vladimir Putin was asked, well, which of the two candidates, Kamala Harris or Donald Trump, seems more comfortable for him in Moscow?

What did Putin answer?

Do you remember?

Kamala Harris, because she laughs so nicely.

That is, even here Putin, you know, tried to leave in this way from a direct answer and tried to ironize and even a few Kamala Harris mocked for her laughter.

Regarding Donald Trump, the rhetoric changes, we understand, on Russian television, on state channels.

They forget to mention that he called Putin crazy.

But in response, Trump seems to be able to start flying soon.

At least on the Internet, such a campaign is already clearly unfolded, and it has a systemic character.

Acting in the interests of the Kremlin accounts in the Russian social network VKontakte refused the neutral tone in the comments on Donald Trump and began to write offensive replicas in his address.

Now they call him a clown.

That's right, after his statement about Vladimir Putin.

In the morning, the Kremlin bot and VKontakte wrote 951 comments.

This is evidenced by the data of the BotNadzor project.

And in total, on Monday, they published 8,000 replicas.

That is, Trump was criticized by every eighth of them.

Right-wing trolls began to sharply ridicule the words of the US president in the comments.

Botev said that Trump in his eyes, I'm sorry for these expressions, but these are quotes, behaves like a child, in the morning so angry as if to him.

Here, it seems to me, there are also certain changes, but will these changes concern only

official propaganda, whether they will only affect the public opinion, we also started talking to you about how they are trying to manipulate, or it will go somewhere further, and the risky statements to the 47th president, the American leader, will follow from Vladimir Putin's side, and now the public is simply preparing for what may happen.

But maybe they are just reassuring such a

B.

However, we understand that

Kremlin bots, these networks act exclusively according to the order from above, which means that at least not one option is considered there, that it will be possible to negotiate with Trump and continue to conduct negotiations at the level that it was before.

Another important news, which we probably won't have time to discuss.

We'll have time, while we don't have Ivan, but I also wanted to say at least one thing.

Tell me.

To be honest, I'm not pleased to talk about arrests.

The First Western Military District Court in St. Petersburg sentenced a 43-year-old Russian Post officer from Volgda, Vladimir Skvortsov, who was accused of sending

donations to the fight against corruption fund, leaflets to the freedom of the legion.

Mediazona wrote about this.

The court recognized Skvortsov to be guilty of financing extremist activities and participation in the activities of a terrorist organization.

He will spend the first nine years in prison, the rest of the time in a prison of strict regime.

The prosecution demanded for the defendant 15 years of imprisonment.

Well, you see how

It is surprising that not all 15 were given, but 3 years and 12 were asked.

According to the accusation, Skvortsov from August to December 2021 made 4 translations, counting 1100 rubles in FBK.

This happened after Navalny's staff funds were announced by extremist organizations in Russia.

In addition, according to the investigation, Skvortsov does not agree with the Russian-Ukrainian war

and participated in the activities of the Legion of Freedom of Russia from July 1 to August 28, 1924.

According to the accusation, the defendant contacted the representatives of the Legion on Telegram, filled out a form at the entrance and received the task of gluing no less than 20 leaflets in support of the unit against the current Russian authorities.

In total, Skvortsov glued 26 leaflets in different addresses in Vologda.

Well, 26 seats and 1100 rubles.

This is now the conclusion of 12 years of the colony.

It seems to me that this is primarily related, of course, to the fact that the Russian authorities are trying to fight against the structures that were associated with Alexei Navalny.

The Legion of Freedom of Russia, we understand, is also recognized in Russia as an extremist and terrorist organization, and there will be very serious consequences for any cooperation with it.

Therefore, of course, we are talking about the fact that those people who are in Russia must be extremely careful and must understand that now they can come literally for everything.

But I also pay attention to Yekaterinburg.

There was an evening of letters.

Local activists from the youth department of the Apple Party wrote

those prisoners who were in prison for one or another charge, but there was one especially active citizen, especially conscientious, who wrote a report on them.

And after that, the security forces came, staged a raid, which is told by one of the detainees.

We were immediately put in all the walls.

Everything is taken away, passports, phones are searched, and after that we are sent one by one to the bus.

In the police department, there were 4 E's with us, that is, an employee of the E center.

They pulled on me with an included electric shocker, but did not use it.

In the end, they even approved it as if.

But in fact, what was really written in this story is sad.

These people are being accused of trying to talk to terrorists and extremists.

And now, apparently, these people have serious problems.

According to the participants of the meeting, the activists of the Youth Apple Yegor Tkachenko caused a special displeasure.

He turned out to be the only one who was decided to take to responsibility.

But the reason for this was not what he wrote to the prisoners, but what they found in his phone.

One of the policemen laughed very much that I would be judged for gachi-muchi and, in general, was on my side, told the detainee.

a young man, Yegor Tkachenko.

Well, gachi-muchi, what is it, we are not going to tell anything here, we are not propagandizing anything, and of course we are not calling for anything.

These are pictures with such muscular actors of gay porn, and, as it were, who ridicule a special

courage and masculinity.

In these pictures, it seems that there is nothing illegal, but now it turns out that you can cling even to this, and this can

Good morning.

Hello.

Well, let's start with the deserters.

Let's start with the deserters.

What kind of devilish numbers do you have there, Ivan?

We have calculated the devilish number, we have summed up the results of the last years, in fact, for all the time of our work, how many deserters we have helped.

And, in fact, a beautiful, but really ridiculous figure was drawn, about which we can only rejoice, that we have helped

6606 deserters.

That's how it is.

It's not for nothing that I, the son of a teacher of Russian language and literature, was able to bend the numbers.

6606 deserters in all the time.

We have records.

Last year there were really a lot of people.

And the number of deserters was the most striking.

It was half of all the deserters last year.

But this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year, this year,

We summed up the results, we were happy, but in fact, we understand perfectly well that in fact, there is nothing fun in all this, and there is nothing in all these figures either, because there is no end or end to the flow of deserters, and sometimes, in general, hands are lowered, and it seems that there will be no end or end to all this either.

But I want to believe that deserters are still

guarantee that this war will end.

Ivan, tell me, what kind of people are addressing you?

I wonder at what point they decide to run away from the army.

And it happens when, I don't know, they are thrown into another meat storm, when they find themselves in a pit.

Yesterday I saw a message again about...

how a girl records a video and says that again people who have lost after the injury of the hearing on the ribs are again driven to the storm and, in general, because of this, they are indignant, they even call

Again, some of the commanders, captains who do this.

If you are interested in the details, all this is at the telegram channel Astra.

They have quite a lot of such messages.

When do they turn up?

At what time?

They always turn up at about the same time.

Well, it's kind of a different thing when they turn up and when they make a decision to start.

They make a decision when they are at the front.

Well, one way or another, it doesn't matter.

Because it's about the moment when they are sent to what you call a mass assault, that is, when they face some reality and see what is happening and what is waiting for them.

They are addressed when there is some small opportunity to get out of it and somehow slip away.

Well, that is, either they get wounded somehow,

Or when they are transferred to some kind of miracle, to some point where there is a connection, where you can leave.

For example, to the Dvogorodka or the Kursk region.

This is usually the moment when they are addressed.

Do they become more or less?

I would say that the number of those deserters who come to you does not change.

It is always the same.

The question is not in the number of addresses.

The question is in the number of those who...

who manage to help.

And those who leave, for example.

From Russia.

This is a different story.

Because this is a floating and jumping number.

Because it is much more difficult, much more cunning for them.

It requires much more courage from them.

Well, in fact, it is much easier to desert than to leave Russia, to hide somewhere inside the country, so that you will not be found for sure.

It's easier to be a deserter.

It just seems to me that to run away from there is... Well, to run away from there, in fact, most people do not run away, but leave together with...

They just open this window of opportunity.

Although, of course, there are those incredibly brave people who still go their own way.

But that's a different story.

I would also add statistics about the fact that in 2024, that is, in the past, 50,554 cases of evasion from the service were recorded in the Russian army, including the voluntary leaving of the unit.

But, as I understand it, these are not only those who run away from there, but those who, again, can go on vacation home and then just not return.

There are also a lot of such cases.

It's a low bar, because it's the number of cases.

And not all cases reach the cases.

I would say that it's half of all cases, at least.

Because cases are called in some cases separately.

The masses are their own, those who avoid it, they can avoid it without any cases.

Our viewers have a question about deserters.

This is for you, Ivan.

What do deserters say?

There are many dissatisfied, many ideological, many want to run away and cannot.

There is a wonderful rule, based on which a person can tell us anything.

Almost certainly in 99% of cases, if a person tells us that he saw Vladimir Solovyov and he is very ideological, an amazing paradox occurs.

When we ask our colleagues, for example, to help us with his verification and check it on the basis of, for example, debtors,

In 90% of cases, these ideological ones turn out to be people with very serious financial problems.

They are just too shy to admit it.

It's easier for them to say that they looked at Vladimir Solovyov than to admit that they haven't received 50 micro-credits and haven't received 100 more.

It's much more convenient and easier.

There are no ideological ones.

There are no ideas.

What can be ideological?

Well, what can Vladimir Solovyov tell them to go to the military headquarters?

These are people who are on the hook anyway.

They don't need ideas.

They are already on the hook.

The poor, the poor, the hungry, who have no penny for their soul, all in debt.

You can do anything with them.

You can put them in prison, you can send them to the army, you can kill them.

Ivan, and of these more than six and a half thousand deserters whom you helped, what does it mean that you helped them?

Are they outside the territory of Russia?

No, first of all, they are not outside the territory of Russia, they are outside the territory of Ukraine.

Occupied.

This is the main task.

Because in this sense of desertification, because the person was not in Ukraine, he did not have weapons in his hands.

This is the most important thing.

This is the family trait, if you want, of a deserter.

And then they all left, those who left.

These are all deserters who turned to us.

Part of them left.

I would say about two thousand.

But the rest are hiding.

On the territory of Russia.

Do you have any statistics, because such shots also fly over social networks, Telegram channels and the Internet, when the military police come, break into houses, when they guard somewhere near the entrance, when they start to run after these people and look for them?

Are there many of those who, well, you helped someone, and then they were still covered again?

I understand that this is probably

There are cases like that, but you have to understand that 90% of them don't live at their addresses.

90% of them effectively hide away from their homes just to protect their loved ones.

But when people come back to us, they come and say, like, I was deserted and they caught me.

It happens, unfortunately.

How do they lure people to the front?

We talk a lot about it, that they are already starting to throw people not only with e-mails, but also through messengers.

I understand that you have an unusual case,

The nurse is trying to...

He has an appointment that he didn't even get any newsletters from.

He doesn't even know what he's doing now.

And she bombarded him with messages on WhatsApp, saying that he didn't get any newsletters.

But now you have already been assigned a date of departure, so you need to come to such and such a point, to the meeting point.

And from this meeting point you will leave.

And if you don't come, we'll give you a fine of 30,000 rubles.

Well, that is, she is just engaged in telephone terrorism, designed for naive 18-year-old young people, you can't call it otherwise.

We need to pay attention to two things.

One is what my sister is doing, and the other is what telephone terrorism is in its purest form, when they just attack a person and hope that he will go.

just because he will be repeated 20 times, there are terrible words like, we will come to the fine, we will take it, I don't know, we will calculate it by IP.

What will happen, again, interestingly, with those military who were exchanged thousand by thousand, we understand all this, but Z-channels are already starting to accelerate a certain topic, and they urge those who returned from captivity to be sent either to prison,

либо обратно на войну.

Вернувшиеся наши, наши герои, не все, но меньшинство.

Так что он лечение, фильтрация.

Ну а дальше или ВВК решит, или суд.

Статью «Добровольная сдача в плен» никто не отменял.

Написал канал «Месть доброй воли».

Другой канал «Пицарь в штабе».

advised the military to leave one grenade for themselves.

After all, during the Great Patriotic War, the fact of captivity itself is a disgrace not only to the captive, but to all members of the family.

And those who were able to return from captivity must prove it with blood.

And 90% of these people were fined.

There were, of course, crossings, but in general, this is not so important.

Did you put a grenade somewhere in your headquarters?

Honestly.

Well, we are still on the humanistic positions, but as I understand it, the chance that these people who were in captivity were changed, they will again be at the front is big enough.

Am I right?

Yes, and not just big enough, there are no other options.

In this horror situation, when they return from the front, the first thing that happens to them, if we start with this, is a question of peace.

Because they are being pressed.

And the question is, did the SBU recruit them?

So, this is where the circus begins.

After which, they even have a vacation, if something happens.

Well, that is, he is not supposed to, by and large.

The person went through captivity.

This is actually a difficult test for him.

He is not to blame for this.

It was not he who started this war.

It was not he who brewed this porridge.

It was not he who came there on his own will.

on someone else's land.

He didn't end up in the situation he ended up in.

But even if you think, I don't know, in the logic of all these idiot Z-warriors, still, comrade Stalin is a good fellow, perhaps, in their universe.

But there must be at least some idea of reality.

Therefore, yes, after they are exchanged,

they turn out to be at the FSB interrogation.

Well, there are probably some formal examinations going on, some other story.

But in general, after the interrogation at the FSB, they are simply returned back to the part, to the point from where they were captured.

And so they can go through this meat grinder as many times as they want.

In case they are captured again, then they will be exchanged again, then they will be sent back to the FSB, and then the FSB officers will be sent back to the same part.

And so it will happen endlessly.

Let's talk about the pressure on the conscripts, how harshly and systematically the authorities are acting now so that those who are under military pressure can join the army.

Well, specifically, now we have the ABLAV register.

I'll open it and see.

Specifically, now our ABLAV index shows a low level of danger, because there are not so many ABLAVs.

It is now even a low threat.

But it changes very quickly.

Well, that is, quite...

It happened that in the morning there was a level of threat of about 1, and by the evening it became 9.

This is the first thing.

Secondly, yes, recently we have already accumulated a lot of cases of fraud and a lot of cases of detention in the subway.

Yes, first of all, all these stories continue.

Well, there is a classic, apparently, of this appeal.

They went to the subway, said, and we counted you on the surveillance cameras, and let's go with us.

And then delivery to the EPP.

Pressing and then collecting points.

Actually, there are already cases when they are calculated by the cameras of the house background.

Well, that is, this story begins with point visits to houses and with point arrivals to deserted addresses, not only catching with an eye on the street.

already appear the first some cases of successful departure from the air force, I repeat, if there are any confirming documents, well, that is, if a person with him is a whole daddy, they let him go, he is not even in the DPP, just for one simple reason that here is his term, here is his

medical documents proving a non-prescriptional diagnosis, and here is an epicrisis, and here is a release from the history of the disease, and here is the evidence that he was in the hospital with this diagnosis, and here is the trust, and here is the statement of the Alternative Civil Service.

Here, as it were, there is nothing to do, and it is even there that you have to, in general, give the back, excuse me, to remember this terrible expression, but here it fits.

And do the military commissars participate in these raids?

No, that's what you're doing.

This must be taken into account.

Look, these raids are illegal.

They should not be, they cannot be.

For one simple reason, that if a person does not go to the military commissar according to the statement of the Ministry of Defense, they have many different options of what they can do.

Well, for example, they can...

They can prohibit him from getting loans.

They can prohibit him from having property.

They can prohibit him from leaving the country.

But they don't do anything like that.

Instead, they just force poor cops

But wait, what is the consequence?

Well, a person comes up and says, hello, I am such-and-such, we have listed you.

He stops us not because the military command asked me,

Because he checks the documents, he wants to check your identity.

Okay, he checks the documents.

And also because he allegedly listed you on the cameras with the recognition of people.

Yes, but then you must look like some criminal they are looking for.

Correct.

Who will check it and how?

Well, that is, it looks like a serious deception, it looks like a story about IP, they will list it by IP, really.

Yes, I understand, but you know your rights, you say, either show me if I look like some criminal, or I'll move on.

No, they also have an explanation, they also have weaknesses in this sense, because they say, you don't follow the instructions, so you were loaded into these cameras, and thanks to the fact that you don't follow the instructions, these cameras with face recognition have calculated you.

I am willing to believe that they are loading everyone there, apparently.

Even some administrative, as in this case, violations.

But, one way or another, the cops have no right to do this.

They have, and they report on it, they are praised by the military duty registry, which works.

The site disappeared, the plug, we remember last time.

The site disappeared, the plug, the protest regime.

Everything seems to be fine with them.

So, please, arrest the creditors, don't let them open an IP, don't let them leave the country.

Cops, not taxis.

They wanted to interfere, I remember, there was such a thing.

Yes, there are no operations with real estate or with cars.

In general, in principle, all sorts of things to do.

That is, you don't have a house, no car, no house, no flag.

Accordingly,

They have this set of options.

The option that they use some kind of local police as a taxi is not provided by the law.

This is a rude violation.

This is already a reason to complain to the prosecutor's office.

Ivan, but still, I would like to understand, well, you say, to track the cameras of the domophones, well, that is, you must know specifically who you are going after, that is, you must already have a decision, a prescription, that this person specifically you can catch, pinch and then deliver to the VVK.

I suspect that it's just according to the list of residents, according to the list of men of vocational age, according to the bases of the military commissariat.

Well, they have a list of people about whom the military commissariat knows for sure.

Here they are moving along this list, here they are moving along this list, here they are walking along this list along the entrances.

They have some kind of plan, obviously.

Am I right?

У кого у них?

У ментов?

Да, ну, соответственно, в полиции.

А, план в смысле цифры.

План в смысле цифры.

Ну, очевидно, что есть, потому что есть цифры, спущенные Путином на призыв.

В некотором смысле, это цифры не только для военкоматовских, вернее, не для военкоматовских, это цифры для мусоров.

But again, that is, the story is that they, for example, stand near the subway, they catch young people, yes, well, they determine on the face, like young.

Then they look at the passport.

If you are of conscription age, then you can already be under attack, they can send you to the military commissariat.

Or how?

They can.

Well, something like that.

But the whole question is...

I repeat, in those documents that you have in your hands.

If you have nothing in your hands, this is one story.

If you have one passport in your hands, another.

If you have a soldier's passport in your hands, and this folder that I'm talking about, this is a completely third picture.

And try to strive for you to have a folder.

This is a story that people are catching up with now.

Is it typical for Moscow, St. Petersburg, large cities, or... Geography is no longer a nobleman's science, because before there was Moscow and St. Petersburg, now it's all.

It's now Makhachkala and Chelyabinsk, whatever you want.

The whole question is in the methods, but there is no metro in Makhachkala.

Well, there are enough on the street.

On the street, I see.

Let's talk a little bit about good, about sports.

A little bit, yes, at the end.

Super, let's do it.

On the 7th we are organizing a race.

по всему свету.

Забег... Он уже не первый, надо сказать.

И довольно успешно проходили предыдущие забеги.

Ну, хочется верить, что это еще успешнее пройдет как-то.

Называется «Бегите лесом».

Всем предлагается регистрироваться.

Ну, кто бегает, тот знает.

Это как будто бы из Беларуси бежать предлагаете.

Нет, это лучше намного.

Всем предлагается, соответственно, предлагаем регистрироваться в приложении, которое все знают, кто бегает и вообще что-то подобное вытворяет.

It's called Strava.

We draw routes for each city.

There are a lot of cities.

Approximately all the cities you can imagine in the range from New York to Singapore and from Helsinki to Cape Town.

In general, wherever there are people who are ready to run, we will draw such a beautiful route in the form of the Pacific, if you want.

And there you can meet, see, hug and run.

And at the same time help us

and help the deserters and help the people who were sent to war not to participate in this war.

By the way, the deserters themselves will run this time.

This is a novelty of this case and this time and this run, because, for example, Danila will run to Paris.

Those who have seen the movie of Katerina Gordeyeva, there is nothing human, they will definitely remember.

He is a professional runner, and he promised to run.

How many cities?

Do we know?

God, we haven't finished the list of cities yet.

Tonight, there may already be more of them.

But in terms of numbers, so far, I will say so, record.

There are more of the run-ins.

Can you, in fact, offer your city?

Yes, we can.

You, please, come.

If you do not find your city on the list, say, excuse me, please, I live in Gaaga, I want to run.

Give me an urgent route to Gaaga.

Give me, please, a route to Gaaga or Dublin.

By the way, no, Dublin is there.

Or some other German village, for example.

We will draw you a route, you will run, gather and meet people who share your views.

In fact, this is also very important.

How much to run?

Well, nothing in total.

Oh my God, 5 kilometers in total.

Even I can run.

You can even without preparation.

I can swim through it.

I won't be able to swim, but I'll be able to run, of course.

I think I'll do that.

Volodya, will you run?

Yes, another topic that I wanted to discuss with Ivan.

He didn't listen to us, it's clear, we're talking about our sport.

I'll remember, I'll remember.

Well, Ivan, you're an athlete, and I'm a humanitarian.

I'm not an athlete at all, I'm also a humanitarian.

I'm going to swim.

Ivan, you're pushing me into sports.

It's criminal, I think.

I'm pushing you into sports, Volodya.

And you're also a criminal, I think, in this case.

Okay, give me your topic.

Tell me, please, about the story of the deserter, about which MediaZona wrote.

I understand that it was also thanks to you that this person was able to avoid this war.

Yes, but it's a classic.

In fact, the text that came out in the media zone and that Nikita Salagubi made, is appreciated, first of all, not even because it's a unique story, it's just quite ordinary.

But a person sat down at 228, classic.

They all sit down at 228, for example.

This is a popular article, let's say, for our viewers.

Yes, related to drug use and storage.

Yes, and we have three of all prisoners in Russia, it's just...

Those who are sitting on article 228.

Well, yes, and you have to understand that there are, of course, among deserters and among those who sign contracts, not just a third, but two thirds.

These are those who were sitting on 228.

But these are, of course, some amazing cases.

And we have, perhaps, the main exotic, this is a person who was sitting on the article for, I don't remember the number, for the burial, for the manufacture of firearms.

It was beautiful.

Well, the article is remarkable, first of all, because it describes in detail the history of his escape.

And directly the desertion itself.

This is really valuable.

Because, first of all, it is useful for other deserters.

They can extract some useful information from it.

I will not retell, I will just send it to Nikita's article.

Better than there, it will not be told anywhere.

And secondly, because this article, in general, once again reminds us that, by and large, anyone is under attack at all.

Any person at any moment can be under investigation by 228, and in our case they are taken from the investigation as well.

That is, conditionally, from the situation in which Ivan Plunov was, they are taken into the army and forced to sign a contract.

Because this is an offer to make with the investigator.

The investigator comes and says, either you sign the contract, or we give you the maximum.

But here, as I understand it, both you and random people helped him.

We're talking about Amir Rahimov, a sergeant.

And even the security forces helped him.

Now, as far as I understand, the man is in a refugee camp in Frankfurt.

And it took him only three months to get from the front to Europe.

Yes, what are we talking about?

Well, I repeat, this route is just described in the most detailed, in the most detailed, just read the article, you will have a lot of fun, especially since the story is very touching and, in fact, sad, partly.

The other thing is that it is with a copy-end in some sense, because, of course, a refugee camp in Frankfurt is not a bad finale, I can tell you that.

We see that they often try to avenge those whom the Russian authorities consider their enemies and put pressure on relatives.

That is, if a person, for example, left the country, but continues to condemn the hostilities in Ukraine, this aggression, then they can often come, including to relatives, with deserters.

Does this happen?

Конечно, происходит, но они к ним, не к родным приходят.

Родных гоняют на допросы.

Конты усиленно делают вид, что они не знают, где этот дезертир.

And now I'm going to look for him at your house.

So they can go to the interrogation, they can drag their relatives to the interrogation, they can drag their grandmother to the interrogation, they can go there at 7 a.m. to look for a person under the bed, they can come with searches, they can call with all sorts of idiotic, absolutely childish threats.

Therefore, of course, it is dangerous, first of all, for the loved ones, but even more so for the heroic people who decide to leave the part voluntarily, despite what is happening, including with the loved ones.

Thank you.

In fact, they are strong people, because every second deserter tells the same story, that I tell my mom, mom, please, don't go where you are not asked to go.

And my mom says to me, the main thing is that you were alive, and that everything was fine with you, and I will not be touched by old people.

But parents, in those cases that you know, do they support the decision of people not to participate in this war, to run away?

Everything is very different.

I refer here to the movie of Ekaterina Gordeyeva.

There is nothing human there, where the story of Sanya is told, whose mother just literally refused him and said, if you leave the country, I will give you to the FSB myself.

On the other hand, there are guys who were supported by their parents, and whose parents helped them with their research.

Thank you, Ivan.

You know, there are completely different things here.

The film of Gordeyev about deserters and the film that we talked about yesterday with colleagues, which was released by Novaya Gazeta with the Russian military.

I didn't have the opportunity to watch it before the broadcast yesterday, because it only came out during the broadcast.

I watched it later.

And, of course, it was such a banter.

You look at it and it's just so scary.

And it's impossible to find the strength, to be honest.

Look, if you haven't watched it, it's quite important.

It's such an important fixation of time.

But in the new film, too, as I understand it, from the 18 characters that are there, I, unfortunately, didn't watch the chaos.

Are there also those people who voluntarily fled from the front?

Yes, in my opinion, there are.

But I repeat, I didn't look at the luggage.

Look, everything is obligatory.

But I'll tell you again, it's just balabanov.

Well, that's scary.

It's just scary.

I think it's necessary to look at this.

Let everyone decide for themselves, of course.

I think it's very important.

This is a fixation of time, of course, historical documents, absolutely.

But you will definitely not get pleasure from this.

Thank you very much, Ivan.

Ivan Chuveliaev, represent the movement Go Forest.

Run on June 7 together with Go Forest in different cities and countries.

You know, it's a pleasant feeling, not only because the sport gives you pleasure, but you just look at the beautiful people around you and it gets a little warmer.

So run, run.

I hope I'll be able to run too.

I'll run with joy.

Thank you very much.

Yes, you scratched my finger.

We say goodbye to you for two weeks.

In 10 minutes, Vyacheslav Shiraev will join us and we will talk about the Russian business, with which Vladimir Putin met yesterday and talked a lot there, of course.

And about debts, there was a very funny answer.

I don't know, Volodya, did you see or not, how Putin joked that debts are paid only by cowards.

That's what Vladimir Putin said.

What?

Yes, that's it.

That's how it is.

I don't get it.

What debts did Vladimir Putin ask for?

He commented on the possibility of a return on the purchase of the American network of Russian business by the provided option, and Putin joked there that only cowards pay the debts.

I promised this in a conversation with Oleg Paruyev, who is the general director of Vkusne.

who are very worried that all their IT technologies, which they developed at this time, will not be needed as soon as McDonald's comes back.

First of all, it's great how they all argue that McDonald's will come back soon.

This is, of course, a separate topic for the conversation, as well as a huge number of other brands.

As if they, you know, did not leave on their own will.

Well, in general, we will talk about this in 10 minutes.

I, you know, wanted to pay attention to something else.

We talked about it quite briefly, but I want to stop a little more in detail.

The book was published

The Original Sin by the journalist Alex Thompson and Jake Tapper.

The Original Sin is a book about Joe Biden.

It made a lot of noise.

It came out last week only, if I'm not mistaken, on Wednesday or Thursday.

appeared on sale, I could not buy it myself, although I really want to, the cover, it must be said, is very beautiful in this book, but the content is terrible, the content is really terrible, I will give you a few examples from there about one, quite briefly, we discussed this with Alexander Filipenko and talked quite briefly about

In June 2024, George Clooney, a Hollywood star and prominent activist of the Democratic Party, many years personally familiar with Biden, organized a party

sponsors of the campaign for the re-election of the president.

He was led to Biden, and Clooney realized that the president did not recognize him.

Clooney began to talk about this with party officials and large sponsors of the Democrats.

They admitted that Biden's age makes him know about himself.

He gets tired quickly, it is more and more difficult for him to speak in public, and in general it is difficult for him to give a visible part of his presidential work.

But this part is not the most important.

The presidency is, first of all, the decision-making, and on this part, Biden has everything in order, the party members insisted.

But we remember this well.

A Russian reader will surely remember the phrase, the president works with documents, the hand is tight.

Meduza remembers this.

Yes, everyone immediately remembers Boris Yeltsin and the rumors about his illness, we heard it from every iron.

Well, let's move on.

In January 2023, the press leaked the information that secret documents of his vice-presidency were stored in the private house of Biden in Wellington.

Accordingly, this is 2009-2017.

Special Prosecutor Robert Hoor was appointed to investigate this incident.

He took Biden's testimony in October 2023 in a few receptions.

The investigation ended in February 2024.

Hoor, the special prosecutor appointed, decided not to accuse Biden.

In his report, he wrote, Biden will most likely appear before the jury as he appeared during our talks with him.

deserving sympathy, benevolent, benevolent elderly person with a bad memory.

For Khura, this meant that he would hardly be able to achieve the recognition of Biden guilty of unreasonable doubts, and therefore he decided that he should not delay the trial.

Biden and his team were infuriated by this report.

They began to blame Khura for not finding enough grounds for the president's judicial persecution, and tried to harm him politically.

To portray him, of course, as a baseless, ill-conceited old man.

Well, roughly speaking, they themselves were torn apart.

Already in May 2025, the Axios publication, where Alex Thompson works, is one of the

of the authors of this book, published an audio recording of a conversation with Biden.

It allows us to make sure that the president took long pauses, constantly struggled with thoughts, answered questions wrong, and very often could not even finish a proposal.

Once he said nothing about the death of his son Bo and confused the year when it happened.

Then, criticizing Hoor's report, Biden said that the special prosecutor was tactless and it was not clear why he talked about Bo.

This is not so.

The president himself was the first to mention his late son, and Hoor did not directly or indirectly touch on this topic.

And this is only a small part of what is in this book.

To be honest, I think it has already made a lot of noise.

Now a little more time will pass and more people will read it.

And even more questions, of course, not to Joe Biden.

It makes no sense to address some questions to Joe Biden now, but to the Democratic Party.

will appear.

Already now many people say that it was some kind of inadequate reaction of the Dima Party.

We said a lot that, you know, I, as in personal disputes with colleagues from American publications,

With those with whom I had a very close relationship, for example, from the New York Times, I asked them a lot of questions about the policy of publishing during and before the election campaign, when everyone insisted that it was all rumors and propaganda, that Joe Biden felt bad, that he was forgetting something, and so on, and so on.

We actively tried to smooth this story, although it was clear to any person before the debates, when the whole world understood and the Democratic Party understood that they were losing, it became clear.

There are many questions about the Democratic Party.

That's why we are watching such a depressing episode of the Democratic Party, when they don't understand what to do, they don't understand how to get out of this crisis.

And many people who are close to the Democratic Party say that there is complete silence, but we don't see or hear them.

It is, of course, curious how this book will now add questions.

Well, it seems to me that here, probably, we can talk about the nickname in general, the crisis of American democracy, for which, in order for your candidate to win, you can yule a little, yule a little, yes, this is when we talk about the fact that a person, well, really did not fully realize what was happening.

When your current president cannot finish a phrase, when his mind is confused, when he

not always understand where they are, but this is probably a very, very worrying bell if we are talking about a person who is the leader of the most powerful country in the world.

Again,

Here it is very indicative that Yulia and it is impossible to look the truth in the eye.

What does it lead to?

To the fact that Biden was dragged into the second term, that they tried to make him the 47th president of the United States again, and that this did not work.

Including representatives of the Democratic Party, among whom, as I understand it, was Barack Obama,

This is also said in the book, to convince that Joe Biden should simply withdraw from the presidential race from the elections.

Well, you see, this was the main mistake.

This is the main mistake that they now have to analyze and somehow move on.

They will have to, they can't.

They can't be so quiet all the time now.

The Democratic Party will have to stand on their feet at some point.

But the main mistake was that they led to a state when it was already impossible, that is, you cannot in three months before the election blind Kamala Harris, the most unpopular vice president, popular presidential candidates.

That is, you led to a state when you didn't have time at all to conduct a normal pre-election campaign, to look for possible candidates.

You could raise this candidate, you could, and you should have been doing it all this time, but no, you made a bet, understanding all the difficulties.

From this, of course, a huge number of questions to the Democratic Party, I would be happy to just ask myself.

No, no, but who understood it, do you understand?

Yes, everyone understood it.

Volodya, the biggest problem is that everyone understood it.

that everyone understood it and made a huge number of mistakes.

And even when Biden was removed, it was already a mistake, because it was not done in time, because it was very bad.

And this, of course, also ruined their rating, because when you give up your candidate for whom you have been drowning all this time, you give him up a few months before the elections, you just remove him.

Why didn't you do this before?

They didn't, because there were two evidence points, but now we don't have time, now we will connect Vyacheslav to us, but because there were two evidence points, absolute moments.

They were scared when they shot Donald Trump, because the Trump rating soared to the skies.

And the debates, where everyone understood that it was impossible.

And who led to this?

They led themselves.

How much did they delay Joe Biden's public speeches?

Whatever they did there.

They understood it all perfectly well.

Why didn't they allow him to speak?

because they understood what he would say.

In general, this, of course, is very upsetting.

Let's take a break and talk to Vyacheslav Shimeyev.

Vladimir Rovinsky and Irina Bobloyan are joining us, economic observer Vyacheslav Shiraev, the author of the YouTube channel.

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Vyacheslav, good morning.

Good morning.

You know, I'm probably stupid, but I watched Putin's speech several times yesterday and his communication with the Russian business.

I have to say, I didn't understand anything.

I did not understand his statement about anything at all, literally.

Because every phrase... Today I tried to tell Vladimir what the joke of Vladimir Putin was about the debt paid only by cowards.

I could not explain.

I can't do it.

What did you get out of it?

Well, the format itself, of course, talks more about the tasks of this meeting than about what Putin said, because he said, of course, a complete... Well, in fact, it's all about laughter.

I laughed my head off, especially when he took this kind of posh pose.

You can't change the place of the meeting.

Kratchev tried to convey this, of course, there are no words.

But let's talk about the format.

When a person reaches certain heights, then the people who accompanied his ascent become superfluous.

And we all remember this.

In the case of Stalin and in the case of Hitler, Stalin cleaned up the Bolsheviks who brought him to power.

Hitler cleaned the SD troops that brought him to power, because a person who has reached absolute height should not see people around who can pat him on the shoulder and say, Vova, do you remember how we were in 1999?

And I read this meeting, this signal, exactly like the change of the elite, that is, the change of the business elite.

Those oligarchs who led Putin to power and who are called the business elite in Russia, are considered the business elite, that is, that environment that earned billions back in Yeltsin, or earned billions in the early 2000s.

It has ceased to suit Putin, because it is these people who can overthrow him.

The only ones who can overthrow him, in principle, shake his position, are people with large billions, who have lost much more from his madness of the last decade, starting with the annexation of Crimea, than they have acquired.

And for them, the continuation of this war, the continuation of Putin's rule, is a minus.

And the minus, first of all, is not even current, although it is big, despite all this lie from Forbes about these growth states.

I have repeatedly, let's say, unraveled these myths, and look at my YouTube, if you are not aware.

But even the transfer of inheritance is more important, the transfer of their accumulated states to their children, because it is impossible to do this.

The business sees perfectly, a large business, that it is either already being dismantled, that is, Kamenshchik, Moshkovich,

All these cases indicate that the business will collapse either now or at the time of the transfer of inheritance to children.

Because children are very vulnerable, I also talked about this.

They are not so tough, they do not know how to negotiate, how to interact with the security forces, and so on.

Therefore, Putin needs a new business elite.

And look who was sitting at the table.

There was no one.

Vyacheslav, sorry, now we will move on to those who were sitting at the table.

And I wanted to ask you, who are you talking about, about these old oligarchs?

Because Kovalchuk, as he earned, so he earns.

Timchenko is also on the list.

As he earned, so he earns.

And Timchenko.

And Timchenko.

Both Timchenko and Kovalchuk are people who do not have assets traded on the stock exchange, who are not interested in the growth in the value of assets.

These are Putin's shadow wallets, not entrepreneurs.

Let's make a deal right away.

There are Mordashov, there are, I don't know, Alikperov, there are those people who...

There are Severstal and...

Yes, yes, the largest industrial assets.

If we take the largest industrial assets, which are not yet nationalized, then this is the old oligarchy, with which Putin had, as you remember, an unspoken agreement.

You don't get into politics, I don't touch you and I keep your assets out of touch, I protect you from calls for deprivatization, and so on, and so on, and so on.

This did not suit him, because it was this elite that earned, either in the Yeltsin times, or at the early stages of Putin's establishment, it is now an abuse and the main point of risk for Putin.

Not the security forces, not the Z-patriots, but the big oligarchs, the big states, which, of course, cannot be satisfied with what is happening.

Accordingly, it is necessary to deal with them somehow.

And I have been saying lately that the elite receives a signal.

It receives a signal about the alternative, that Putin has an alternative.

Putin understands perfectly well that he has an alternative, although Navalny is killed.

opposition in exile, but the idea is carried in the air, and you can't stop it with these boyish, gopnik repetitions of the same theses about the fact that we are not guilty, they attacked us, that's all, we will give them by the teeth.

This does not convince anyone.

Well, everyone understands that the country is rolling into a pit, and the business understands that nothing will remain of their state.

Accordingly, they need to wake up.

And Putin understands that sooner or later they should wake up, at least think about it.

And then there is only one step away from thinking about action.

Wait, wait, wait.

Did the composition of yesterday's meeting lead you to this thought?

Yes, I was very surprised.

Well, that is, if you meet with business and you declare that I meet with entrepreneurial circles, then you should at least mix, take, plant, I don't know, there,

Alekperov and, let's say, someone from the middle business.

Well, something like that, so that there is some kind of balance.

But to take, just demonstrably, to put absolutely unknown people at the table,

without a state.

They do not have a state.

None of them have certain assets, such as some kind of frontiers, in his opinion, Putin, or rather Kiryenko, in directions such as electronics, some electrical and transport means, biotechnology, programming, and so on.

That is, there are no large assets there, there is no rent.

Do you understand what the oligarchy is different from the entrepreneur?

The oligarchy sits on the rent.

What is a rent?

Did you deserve some

in quotation marks, position, you don't do anything to get oil from the ground, or a factory built in the Soviet Union to produce metal, right?

It's just a rent.

You have a huge rent at the expense of monopoly position, and not at the expense of your brains and at the expense of your risk and skills.

And these entrepreneurs who were with Putin, they all have no rent, they all have to earn their money every day, every day.

Therefore, of course, they are all close to the goat feeders.

I looked at the list, there are companies that, one way or another, still depend on either interest loans, or from deposits from industrial policy funds, and so on.

They are all not Tinkovs, to put it mildly, they are all such carpet entrepreneurs.

Oh, carpet entrepreneurs.

And this is their answer.

Otherwise, of course, they would not have allowed them there.

Or, for example, Vkusnaya Tochka, the director.

This is McDonald's, we understand that he did not create Vkusnaya Tochka, he just took it from a foreign company and ran it.

What kind of anti-technology do they talk about?

The tasty point is Oleg Poroev, the general director.

I just don't know him at all.

Here he may be more familiar to you than I am.

What technologies do they talk about and what are the developments that they are so afraid to lose if McDonald's comes back?

Look, there is a very interesting figure of this long-haired man, who is clearly propagandizing something wrong, in my opinion, sitting at the table with such long hair, I'm sorry, but...

He was also the general director of some IT company.

Yes, but before I didn't see such people at meetings with Putin.

Well, at least they asked to gather a bunch somehow, well, a protocol, you know, right?

That is, when you are chasing, the security forces are chasing all the boys in the clubs with long hair, and you have a dude with long hair sitting next to Putin,

This is an ethical hacker.

Do you know what an ethical hacker is?

No.

These are people who know that hackers are not for evil, but for good.

Okay.

They are just on our side, that's all.

They then become ethical.

Those are bad, those are foreign, and ours are ethical.

Yes, yes.

That is, they break what needs to be broken, and not what does not need to be broken.

And for me, of course, this selection is much more old-fashioned.

In terms of technology, all of them are not breakthrough, to put it mildly, not competitive.

In the best case, it is to replace something with an import that will break once a week and fix itself with the help of large costs from the business that bought it all.

Well, it doesn't work out how much they tried to push YouTube with Rutube.

Well, I'm talking about the same thing, or VK, which is in losses, and at the same time Putin shouts that, like, let's drive everyone away.

And this is the most important threatening phrase about the fact that you need to distance yourself from the habits of people.

This, in fact, sounds very frightening, because I immediately remember 1984, the fourth novel, and how they distracted people from something.

Well, with the help of electricity, probably, you need to conduct some kind of lobotomy.

It is convenient for a person to use YouTube.

He is forced to switch to VK.

VK in losses.

He can't give a normal service.

He is a dead body.

But a person is forced to engage in necrophilia, in fact, technological necrophilia.

They tell you that these are harmful habits.

How many good terms we have today.

Yes, carpet entrepreneurs and technological necrophilia.

Yes, because to love the living is a harmful habit.

You have to love the dead, you have to love the decomposed.

This is Putin's strategy, and we see how he implements it both in Ukraine and in the world.

This is a dead end that should capture the whole world.

But you know, I just look at it, there were quite young people sitting there.

It's a young business.

They probably understand that in part it carries some kind of wildness.

Look, to get there, just imagine,

I don't know, I remember the first time I got into something-when-when.

I've always dreamed of getting into something-when-when.

And I got into it.

My brain just fogged up.

Although later, somewhere in the middle of the game, I already started to answer something, but I understand perfectly well that for people, like, to be next to Putin is just like me next to Voroshilov.

I'm not interested in Putin, but it was very interesting with Voroshilov.

And this creates a kind of wedge.

And everything you hear, you perceive in a completely different way.

The very status of the meeting, it transmits some signals to your subconscious that everything is cool, that you are good, that you have reached the top.

And it seems to me that they do not perceive what Putin is carrying as we do.

And therefore, they behave normally, adequately, do not jump on the table, for example.

In general, they look decent in suits.

And their questions, of course, are all prepared.

Of course, they are all selected by the administration of the president and the Kirienko team, and they ask what needs to be asked to those people who put them there.

I'll say it again, not a single person was there by accident.

Each of them represents some kind of

Putin's closest official or businessman, who pursues his interests, bringing into Putin's ears some thoughts and sentences that need to be brought in.

But Putin's approach is, you know, very rare, that you come there and somehow influence.

But to gather such people and tell everyone, you ask about this, you ask about this.

That is, groups of influence

They act through these puppets, who will ask Putin or make claims on their own questions.

So what was this event for then?

Putin met with the Association of Entrepreneurs and Entrepreneurs not so long ago.

A little more than two months have passed since that moment.

Here, what did they try to show?

That we don't need all these Western brands, we will stifle our own, cool, invent something much more progressive than this unnecessary Western.

Our chabournet will beat everyone.

Or what?

I think, first of all, this is a signal to the old elites that we have a replacement, that these young teeth are pushing you, and they will eat you, and I will give you

I will let them eat you.

This is a very good leash for the old elites.

Guys, we don't have irreplaceable, there is no place empty, whatever you call it.

In any case, look, those people who can clap on Putin's shoulder, why should they leave?

Because they are not satisfied with this already eaten power and influence and money of the tyrant.

in terms of satisfying their own ego.

Because young people who deserve an approach to the body now, at this moment, they will look from the bottom up at Putin.

For them, he is not the person who can be slapped on the shoulder.

These are people who will be devoted to him, who will be obliged personally to Putin with their promotion to the level of oligarchs.

That is, to take the place of those people who can be slapped,

They, these young people, they will give everything, they will serve faithfully.

Well, remember the Stalinist times, 1938-1939.

This is the rise of the middle government, the middle military command, which suddenly rose to the first secretaries of the regional committees, to the members of the Politburo, to the commanders of the divisions.

For them, Stalin became everyone.

And we already feel this in the late reign of Putin, and it will only grow.

Vyacheslav, you are a man of humor, so I will now ask you to show our video director, I think our viewers will also appreciate the dichotomy that literally reigned yesterday in the Kremlin.

As it seems to me, this is my assessment judgment.

Vladimir Putin called on the meeting of Russians to abandon Western brands and switch to domestic goods and software.

And now everyone, probably,

You can clearly see Vladimir Putin.

Here he is in a suit, in the hall, he has such a beautiful throne with gold.

But let's pay attention to another element.

Vladimir Putin speaks into the microphone, and here on it you can clearly see five important letters.

BOSCH.

That is, Vladimir Putin urges Russians to give up everything Western, says that it is necessary to switch to his own, such a cool, but does it through the microphone of the German company Bosch.

I understand correctly?

Yes, yes, German.

It seems to me that they don't think about it as deeply as you do, Volodya.

I think they don't think about it at all.

You know what I'm thinking about?

Every time some performance of a business or some officials, almost every time they always talk about some kind of return of brands.

It's completely mythical.

And they have already talked about Inditex, now they are talking about McDonald's.

It's as if these brands are going to return.

Why are they telling each other about this?

Don't they understand that now no one will stand in line to return?

And this self-sacrifice, this rejection of the West, which raises such insults that require compensation.

And, of course, you need to crawl on your knees, you need to be kind and give a piece of paper, we allow you to return, we do not allow you to return.

And only this, because I have said more than once that the return of Western

of goods and services to the Russian market will finish off the falling Russian economy much faster than everything else.

All factories that produce something instead of Western ones will simply not withstand competition.

Let's assume that McDonald's returns.

Of course, the competition with the popular McDonald's chain, chocolate, consumer goods, clothes, Zara, all these brands, will not last long.

It's very bad for Russian clothing brands.

All shops are closed, the cost of sewing is reduced, although even in China it is still cheap.

All this does not withstand any competition.

Therefore, they say only for

of combing their egos.

And of course, they would like them to come back, but they would like to come back tied up, with a slap in the mouth, so that they would not do anything, they would just come back and that's it.

But at the same time, they would not do anything.

This would satisfy them, I think.

In general, it is curious how, if one day McDonald's returns to Russia, how it will work in the opposite direction.

That is, will they both exist in the same space?

No, of course, in order for McDonald's to return, it is necessary for all McDonald's restaurants to become McDonald's again.

This is Putin's quote about all the tools in our hands.

We repeat, they were not kicked out, they left, but okay.

If they have the right to bribe, it is probably due to some time, due to some conditions for some number of years.

What is he talking about?

That they have the right to bribe?

They can bribe their business back in some period of time?

Yes, that is, they took everything from them, sometimes without money, the companies simply left and fixed the losses.

In some cases, they have the option of reverse buying.

That is, if the deal is made in this way, let's say you have a factory, Bosch, for example, produces some candles for cars, for engines, and it leaves the factory, let's say, to new owners who were former managers, that is, there was a director.

And the director buys this plant, well, let's say, for 5 million rubles or for 100 million rubles, the figure does not matter.

But the contract states that during a certain period of time, the Western owner can buy this plant back for the same amount or for the same amount with a certain premium.

Well, for the fact that for 3-4 years the manager managed this plant, developed it, did not bring in debts and did not make it bankrupt.

Okay, well done, kept it for 3 years or 5 years, we are now returning and buying it back.

Usually, managers did not buy it for their own money.

Of course, they received loans.

These loans are either paid or not paid.

Accordingly, with this money, the manager can close the rest of the loan and earn something for the fact that for 3-4 years he managed a Western asset.

There are enough such deals on the Russian market.

And, in principle, if we assume that

Putin's regime is dismantled, then, of course, some companies can return under these conditions and again manage their enterprises in Russia.

But I

I very much doubt that these deals will be implemented in the mass order.

There are not so many of them, but the fact that they will be implemented, I put under great doubt, because the costs of continuing business in Russia for these companies will be great, and even for the money for which you can buy their assets back in Russia, they will not want to connect with this market.

Vyacheslav, do you understand?

They will push it back in a few days.

Yes, yes.

Or the tax office will come and say, we've been counting taxes for you for five years, your director didn't pay enough.

Well, a million options.

Business doesn't just come to some kind of marginality.

Business comes to clear rules of the game.

If even Russian entrepreneurs are put in prison for some crimes,

Vyacheslav, Ira has already asked, but again, I don't have it in my head either, but how does Vkusny.com relate to these technologies?

No, there was not only IT.

There was a person, for example, who developed some veterinary drugs.

There was a person who builds an electric catamaran.

Well, there are different directions, not only IT.

Oleg Poroev was worried about the fact that if McDonald's returns, all the IT developments that Vkusnaya.com has been developing for three years will be in vain.

What IT developments does Vkusnaya.com have?

Well, look, any business, it is not only based on the production, it depends on the delivery of components, products, in this case.

But there are many operations, from the business to the store, everything must be automated.

There are special solutions for cash machines, there are special solutions for logistics management.

For example, so that you always have fresh meat in the refrigerator,

This is not decided by a specific manager, it is all generated by special programs that send a signal to the supplier, the supplier brings the right amount of meat in time.

Imagine if every time people would sit at the counter and calculate how much meat we have left for tomorrow, will it be enough?

Everything is automated, software is used everywhere.

Only before it was McDonald's, ordered, relatively speaking, from some Western vendors, from some software development companies.

And now they have switched to Russian.

And here they cover, look, their fifth point, that is, do not take away from us, do not take away our restaurants and do not give them to McDonald's.

Because if you give them to McDonald's, it will lead to the death of all related suppliers and enterprises.

software developers, personnel agencies, which used to hire us personnel, will now be not Russian, but a branch of Western, and so on.

That is, even in another country, the Western brand is used to working with its own Western counter-agents and contractors.

This means that the return of Western companies will cause

Well, the crisis of non-competitiveness of all those who were born during the years of the war, who are held only at the expense of favorable loans for import substitution, some programs, some theft of solutions from the same Western companies, simply reproduces ineffectiveness.

The economy works ineffectively from this.

The economy works well when all the participants of economic activity achieve their own effectiveness, when they are competitive, when they do not devour resources.

And so these importers can't work, so McDonald's-Vkusnaya Tochka is afraid, or rather the former McDonald's-Vkusnaya Tochka is afraid that they will be thrown out of restaurants, but it is covered not by its own interests, but like, look, the IT industry will fall, logistics will fall, something else.

They will come up with reasons why they can't take back what they took from McDonald's.

I also wanted to ask you, I know Stanislav Yatkovsky, the general director of the ecosystem of corporate communications and technologies.

He offered to limit the work of services that left Russia.

Actually, the Zoom and Microsoft team say that we are spending a huge amount of money on this, although we have Russian analogues.

Well, what Vladimir Putin said, called to strangle them, to strangle in a mirror, I did not quite understand what it means to strangle in a mirror, it means that some Russian services are prohibited in the West, which everyone actively uses in international companies.

And do you know about the analogues of Zoom and Microsoft Teams?

I understand that we are not all IT people, but I do not often hear about the fact that there is some Russian analog.

Listen, well, let's start with the fact that everything has some kind of analogue.

In general, everything.

Well, of course, but this analogue must be successful so that we can hear about it.

Well, let's take it, remember, we had such a messenger, messenger Tam-Tam.

Do you remember Tam-Tam?

Yes, yes, it was made just at the peak of someone, I don't remember, either Durov, or... Or WhatsApp, or WhatsApp, yes.

But, in my opinion, when it started with Varus Durov, it began to be promoted very strongly, that, like, we all switch to Tam-Tam.

from Telegram.

And I assure you, it's not the only messenger.

There are some other developments that can replace very convenient services with very large terms.

Therefore, there is everything.

The question is that it does not work the way it should work, and people will not give up messengers that they are used to, services that they are not used to.

Moreover,

If we talk about the corporate sector, where any IT solution configured for a data center, for a server base, and so on, which is already connected to the software of counter-agents, it is important that all the data is transmitted to each other.

This is a huge ecosystem, and it works on Russian analogues through the pen and paper, and any businessman

He tries to stay on the PO that he is used to, which is much more effective than any Russian fake.

I want to argue with you here a little bit, because I also talk to people who are in Russia and often refuse Western social networks.

A friend says, well, to go to Facebook, you need, again, how many VPNs to study, it's not a fact yet, they don't work for free.

paid, too, through the foam deck.

In the same way, many people talk about YouTube.

A friend says, I had YouTube on TV.

And so I came home, clicked on the remote control three times, and I have my favorite show.

Or the instruction on repairing the toilet immediately popped up, I needed how to do it so that the toilet did not leak.

And now, well, I don't want to.

I came after work, I'm tired.

And what am I going to learn from this?

Also, it seems to me, with Zoom, it would be possible.

Let's ban Zoom now.

Well, they will invent some of their own, and he will go up the mountain.

No?

Look, the problem is that any such service is good precisely because hundreds of millions of people in the world use it, and not tens or even millions like in Russia.

The Russian market is too small to make a decision

It can't be an expensive, cheap solution for maximum efficiency.

There is such a concept as the last mile in technology, that is, to make the basic functionality, that is, 95% of the functionality of any service, and this is the cheapest.

But to make the last 5%, the last mile,

and provides the user with maximum comfort, convenience, speed and a pleasant interface, and so on.

This is the most expensive, with which they usually fight the longest.

This is where the main competition occurs.

Not in 95% of the base, that yes, you can call, you can, you see a person, you see, but at the same time the sound hangs, at the same time it is impossible to reconnect, and so on, and so on.

So these 5% are the most expensive.

This is what billions of dollars are invested in on global markets, in these technological markets.

Russia is a tiny market, 2% of the world's market.

Not a single service can work well for 2%.

Let's define it in our minds.

For 2%, for 100% of the world's population, they will make a great service.

For 2%, it cannot be better than the one for everyone.

Therefore, something can be replaced, but this causes big problems for users, additional costs in service, and so on.

And the last thing, probably, about IT.

I asked you, the same head of IWA, about whom I talked before, who suggested to close Zoom and Microsoft Teams, to use Russian analogues, he asked to subsidize export revenue, so that Russian companies could compete, going to the foreign market, or profit credit, because with the current key rate, it is difficult to launch investment projects.

Putin told them...

Yes, I'm listening to the question, Irina.

I just wanted to see if you saw it.

I looked at the picture now, yes.

Putin promised to have his proposal in mind.

But are these some kind of unnecessary wishes?

Look, every shamanic rite is accompanied by blows to the lips of Elvira Noviulina.

Of course, the Central Bank rate is what should sound from entrepreneurs, from the business community every time.

Because to knock Elvira down is, of course, a utopia, how to catch up with Sobransky, but you have to try.

Because while Elvira holds the rate of 21%, of course,

to work as Russian businessmen are used to, on cheap capital, in more or less comfortable conditions, without much competition.

Well, of course, they cannot replenish their turnover capital at a rate of 21%, everything goes to the minuses, and the amount of money that they throw out for the service of loans does not allow them to earn at least some profit.

They will always talk about a decrease in the rate.

I think that on June 6, the rate will remain at the level of 21%.

And then, when the second month of the recession is recorded, which means that the recession will already be officially recognized, there will be nothing else left for Elvira, except to start slowly lowering the rate.

Because the pressure that comes on it from all sides, well, most importantly from the magnate, like Chemezov,

other industrial oligarchs, it is already too strong.

And everyone is already shouting, and there is a consensus that the bet kills the economy.

Of course, it is necessary to constantly talk about this to them, and they talk.

I'm just looking at the names of those who were at this meeting, I really don't know anyone.

And nevertheless, among other things, it was discussed that foreign marketplaces in Russia are holes to which you need to pay attention.

Through them you can bring in anything in any amount.

And, in general, this is not a good thing.

And why didn't they call for a meeting with business, it would seem, one of the brightest stars, a person who really managed to build a cool business in Russia, the head of the marketplace Wildberry Group.

Tatyana is now Kim, not Bakalchuk.

Why do you think so?

Because I think it's not clear yet who will replace Tatyana Bakalchuk.

She is temporary.

She will get it.

Yes, of course, it's just a screen.

Of course, they will take everything from her.

It was not for that that this company was banned and all this mess was arranged in order to leave such a treasure in the hands of a woman.

Therefore, of course, she was not invited, since her days in the possession of Burberry are set, maybe for months, maybe for years, it doesn't matter.

Whether VTB or Kovalchuk will get it, whether a new director will appear there, no one else knows the names better than those who are sitting at this table.

But that's why they didn't invite her.

But look, the outburst is against Aliexpress, not against Amazon.

Amazon is not in Russia.

This is interesting.

Why did they suddenly jump on the Chinese?

To be honest, it seems to me that they don't really understand where people now buy everything that was impossible to buy.

On Avito, of course, this is the most authentic Russian product.

But it doesn't give them peace, of course, that everything that people want to buy is bought on AliExpress.

Basically, here you can't strangle this song, you can't kill it.

Well, yes, against the Chinese somehow they went in vain, it seems to me.

It's also interesting just how Putin listens to all this and what he understands from it, how immersed he is in the agenda.

No, well, Ir, if a person doesn't have a smartphone now, if he doesn't hold it in his hands, if he doesn't understand what it is, I don't know.

App Store, Google Play and so on.

If Putin is told that there is such a Zoom program, he must have a question.

What is Zoom?

You don't have a question, I don't have a question, Vyacheslav doesn't have a question either.

We all use this service.

But what is it for Putin?

For Putin, it is not known what it is.

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Notice that even his friend Donald Trump treats modern technologies in a completely different way, and he uses them.

And I don't think it's a problem to write a circle in True Social for him, although there are no circles there.

Putin is fundamentally different from all world leaders in this regard.

This is his and Russia's non-competitive ability.

Because if Russia is ruled by a person living in the first half of the 20th century, then Russia goes there, it does not go somewhere in the future to breakthrough technologies.

And he has no image.

You are right, when he hears something or says something, he does not have an image in his mind of what he is talking about.

He just gets a stamp.

Have you heard some foreign word, not Russian, like Zoom?

Well, obviously not Russian, right?

It means bad, it means you need to strangle.

At the level of such ready-made stamps, that these souls are given to us, he is trying to push some narratives.

Thank you, Vyacheslav.

Yes, you're welcome.

All the best.

You know, you helped a little to figure it out, because yesterday, of course, I listened to it, and I was both happy and sad because of what I see.

I just can't understand how you can say... Well, it doesn't fit in my head, you know?

Again, Putin probably didn't read the Game of Thrones either, and Lannister always pays for his debts, he doesn't know, but...

This expression that he addresses to business, even in a joke, even in a joke, debts are paid only by cowards.

But it seems to me that I just have people whom I owe.

I remember this every day of God, because if I don't give them, I will stop respecting myself.

This is from the 90s, Vladimir.

This is a bandit anecdote from the 90s, which is very typical of Putin.

And who is surprised?

If you, dear viewers, don't know that Putin decided to bandit Petersburg in the 90s in the mayor's office... We almost got sacked, of course.

Everything is clear.

Thank you very much, Vyacheslav Shiraev, economic observer, subscribe to Vyacheslav's YouTube channel, we keep advertising him on our broadcasts.

Thank you and see you soon.

In two minutes Mikhail Gurevich will join us, we will talk about another topic already, but I wanted to entertain you a little while we have one and a half minutes.

A round table passed in the State Duma.

on which the deputies discussed how to protect children from destructive content.

Now I will give you examples of destructive content.

The leader of Fair Russia, Sergei Mironov, said that there is a hybrid war going on against the Russian Federation, during which our children are brought up from there.

That is, from here, apparently, where I am.

After that, the deputies began to provide examples of destructive information.

So, the head of the Committee on the Development of Civil Society, Yana Vantratova, criticized the Call of Duty video game in one of the missions, which, as she says, is offered to come to Krokus and kill those who were not killed by the terrorists.

I don't know anything about it, but I know what we will talk about next.

In general, according to Vantratova, it starts with a story that we all understand.

But then some crazy nonsense went on.

In my opinion, Antratov follows the trend when the image of a good hero fades, and his characters come to replace him, like Shrek, not bad, but with external and internal flaws.

That is, our Shrek is not bad, but with some external flaws, if suddenly you did not notice.

In general, according to Vantratov, there is a tendency when the image of a good hero ... Oh, I'm sorry, I just told you about it.

Next, Dmitry Pevtsov, a deputy and a person you know, continued the topic with the wrong heroes.

He urged not to introduce children to modern fairy tales, starting with the toxic Cheburashka.

The main character of the film, the Finnish first bogatyr, Pivtsov called a moron, a self-loved cock and a connoisseur, and Baba Yaga from the same picture, as he expressed himself, sexually concerned about his youth.

So, while we are discussing economics and business, we came across a saint, Baba Yaga and Shrek, who don't look right.

You should understand that Baba Yaga is preeminent, that is, in her new reading, she doesn't fit and she is wrong.

Wait, wait, wait.

Well, they say that there are trends when the image of a good hero fades.

So, is Baba Yaga also a good hero?

Listen, if, in fact, dig deep, I just studied at the Higher School of Economics, and we, of course, went through it together.

You must name the years, Volodya, be sure.

Yes, yes, yes.

But understand that Baba Yaga is an antagonist.

She often, of course, tests the main character, but it is Baba Yaga, as a rule, who gives him a certain magical talisman or some thing, a sword, a hammer, a carpet, a plane, something else that helps him to achieve his goal later.

That is, Baba Yaga...

She is, of course, terrible, horrible, she must scare the main character, but this is a challenge that he must overcome and become stronger through these difficulties.

But the fact that they have already come for Shrek, this is a damn offense.

He doesn't like it outwardly, he has some flaws, she says.

He has some flaws, just a few.

Everything seems to be fine with him, but somehow we don't like the way he looks.

He's green for some reason, he has something else wrong.

Well, in general, okay, we'll see, we'll follow.

But, of course, it's curious what they do around the table in the State Duma.

Apparently, they have a lot of important things to discuss the appearance.

Shrek.

Mikhail Gurevich joins us, a journalist from Israel, our colleague and author of the Telegram channel Kolya Khodashev.

Hello, Mikhail.

Good morning, guys.

Good morning.

Well, yesterday the news came, Reuters creates an informational reason and claims that Hamas agreed to the proposal of the United States to cease fire in the Gaza Strip.

What details do you have of this?

The details are very similar to the anecdote when Haim called Abram a bastard.

The court said that Haim should apologize, and he said, Abram is not a bastard, sorry.

In fact, as it turned out in the evening, this is not Witkoff's proposal, and Witkoff himself said that this is not his proposal.

This is a proposal that Hamas, as a counter, sent to Israel, called Witkoff's proposal, and agreed to it.

In fact, this is not the first time this has happened in the last year, unfortunately.

I must say that in general, when we are constantly in these endless negotiations, I will be objective, this does not happen on the one hand.

It happens that each side in its own way tries to interpret, in its own way tries to formulate, and, accordingly,

The initiative is being given as supposedly already discussed and agreed upon, but in fact it is not so.

With Hamas, I remind you, there was already such a case when they agreed with Egypt

and submitted this statement as it was also proposed by international intermediaries, although no one except Egypt knew about it.

However, it was still with President Biden, that is, almost in a different era.

Therefore, at this stage, unfortunately, nothing happens, in the sense that Israel rejected this proposal, it implies the release of half of its hostages in two stages,

and American guarantees for the end of the war.

Netanyahu said that he is not ready to give any guarantees for the end of the war, and no one but Israel can give such guarantees.

Although the Americans will give them, then, of course, Israel will carry them out, but, probably, this should happen through some kind of vote between Washington and Jerusalem.

Therefore, unfortunately,

nothing, and even careful optimism we all do not experience, although yesterday the prime minister Netanyahu said that today or tomorrow, this is a direct speech, we will hear something new about the hostage case, and when everyone was excited about this, then his press service sent a message that he meant that in general he works on the issue of the release of hostages, and sooner or later he will get it, so inside, too,

There is no reliable news.

Probably, the only reliable news is that today the first American company has started working.

This is a Swiss-American company that will distribute the humanitarian aid.

And, accordingly, today they seem to have to start work full-fledged.

And they will distribute, I have already seen these boxes, where there is food for five days.

Accordingly, people will come in through checks, receive these boxes and leave.

This center will be able to

about 300,000 gas residents, and in the near future, several similar centers should be opened in order to solve the problem with...

There are two problems here.

On the one hand, the problem with humanitarian cargoes that should enter the gas, and on the other hand, how to make sure that these cargoes do not become the property of Hamas, that is, that the Palestinians do not depend on Hamas to receive them.

Well, there must be some international organizations that will probably monitor this, because we remember the previous experience shows how they didn't get there, they were just robbed on the road.

They were just robbed, and in the near future, by the way, they were also robbed.

There are also a lot of shots about this, and it's very difficult to say, again, who is right, who is wrong, because, for example, Israel states about the numbers of trucks that drove into the sector,

And international organizations declare the numbers of trucks that have reached the warehouses.

And they just differ in order.

And this is a huge problem.

That's why these two organizations were created.

By the way, one is Swiss, one is American.

In Switzerland, they are already investigating whether this organization is Swiss or Israeli, created in Switzerland.

And, accordingly, this is a separate interesting case.

But in any case, the Americans are starting work today.

We hope that in the coming days all the others will start working.

And, in any case, the issue of the humanitarian crisis and so on, if it doesn't go down, then no.

Because, objectively speaking, in any zone of military action there is a humanitarian crisis.

It doesn't happen otherwise.

But the main thing is that people receive food and that there are no claims against the army.

So, this is probably good news, let's say.

If we go back to this proposal of Hamas, which is not a proposal of the Uyghurs, but a proposal of Hamas, as far as I understand, there was also a temporary ceasefire, not a signing of some kind of peace agreement.

On the one hand, it's a temporary ceasefire, but on the other hand, under American guarantees, the negotiations should be continued until the full regulation of this war.

And there is a small issue related to the constant dichotomy of these negotiations.

That is, if we say that Hamas must be withdrawn from power,

— Hamas.

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it receives some kind of power functions, it receives the functions of distribution of all this humanitarian aid.

How does this force enter the sector, who controls it, who finances it?

There are huge issues in this, and with it, in fact, a permanent regulation should already be signed.

Can we talk about other topics directly related to Israel and gas with you?

There was a message yesterday that Malta is going to recognize Palestine's independence in June, and the newspaper Axios reports that the same plans are in the hands of France.

How do they look at this in Israel?

Well, the government is looking at it badly.

There is a slight nuance with Emmanuel Macron.

Emmanuel Macron is a person who is trying to be an intermediary in a very large number of conflicts.

We all remember this long column in Moscow in February.

We remember Macron's attempts to be an intermediary in the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, which was quite unsuccessful.

Now Macron is an intermediary in the Middle East.

By the way, Macron has the opportunity to be a quality mediator, remembering that Syria and Lebanon were French mandated territories, there are some traditional connections there, and it would seem logical for Macron to engage in his mediation efforts there.

Every politician prefers to solve the same, you know, some kind of indecisive theorem, which every politician sooner or later in the world approaches and tries to take this load.

Here Macron approached the Middle East problem and tries to raise it.

The idea, as far as I have heard several times, is more complicated there.

That is, France recognizes Palestine, and Saudi Arabia recognizes Israel.

That is, in this way,

as if such a world exchange is taking place.

After all, France is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, it is a weight, and, accordingly, as if such a peaceful initiative is taking place.

Everything would be fine, but, first of all, Saudi Arabia is unlikely to recognize Israel in response as a mercy to France.

After all, if someone is given gifts to Mohammed bin Salman, then I have a suspicion that he will prefer to give them to Trump, not to Macron.

Secondly, the main problem with the recognition of Palestinian statehood is what the country recognizes.

On the one hand, there are 144 countries that have recognized the independence of the Palestinian state.

What is this Palestinian state?

What are its territorial dimensions?

This is not said in the agreements on recognition.

How does Palestine relate to the neighboring state called Israel?

Do you think, and as the Palestinian leadership often says, that almost 75% of Palestinian citizens should return to Israel and live in Israel?

And then it is not clear why we need the independence of the Palestinian state, if the main task of this Palestinian state is to ensure the move of 75% of its citizens to live in another country.

There are a lot of questions here.

The Palestinians have the so-called concept of the right to return, and it is inherited,

If in 1948 the UN designated this right, there were 750,000 people, now there are 6 million Palestinians around the world who say that they have the right to return.

That is, it turns out that a state is being created, the task of which is to move citizens to another country.

Agree, there is a huge question here from the point of view of how much this state is really needed by those

He proclaimed it.

If you want to send your citizens somewhere else, then why are you proclaiming your independence?

This is on the one hand.

On the other hand, how will the state do it?

Because the problem for many Palestinians, and this must also be understood, we are talking about humanitarian crises, we are talking about a difficult life, very difficult, and here I will not deny it in any way, but the standards of social assistance of Palestinians are one of the best in the Middle East.

Просто потому, что они обеспечиваются не силой собственной экономики, как это происходит в Египте, как это во многом, не полностью, но во многом происходит в Иордании, в Сирии, в Ираке и так далее, а посредством международной помощи.

And there is such a dichotomy, because they accept that as soon as they refuse, that is, they become a state, then, well, it is unlikely that they will receive humanitarian aid of such size from all international organizations.

And, accordingly, the social level, the social protection of the population will drop sharply.

They will not have such money.

And here it turns out that on the one hand they talk about independence, and on the other hand they say that there must be UNRWA, the Middle Eastern Council on the Affairs of Refugees, which, in fact, in the state plays the role

The Ministry of Social Affairs, the Ministry of Education, the Ministry of Health.

It's strange, it's not quite a state.

That's why I believe that as soon as the Palestinians want to build their own state,

Wait, wait, wait.

Malta, Macron, but don't you think that...

Israel is losing more and more allies, and more and more countries and politicians perceive what is happening as the aggression of Israel.

Great Britain, France and Canada have been criticized for the expansion of Operation

in the gas sector and threatened with sanctions against Israel.

This is also a message that came a week ago.

Well, that is, again, it seems that more and more we hear in the address of Israel words that he is now an aggressor.

And what is happening and what was stated

representatives of the three states, says that our allies do not hear and do not see any clear plan of the Israeli leadership

to achieve goals.

It should be said that within the country there are, according to various estimates, from 50 to 60 percent of Israelis who ask exactly the same questions to our government.

And what is the goal?

Well, that is, for a year and a half there is a war, soon this...

The duration of the war will exceed the duration of the war for the independence.

This is the longest war in the history of the country.

What are our goals?

There are two goals.

These goals are known.

There are two other goals.

Denazification and demilitarization.

There is the release of hostages and the destruction of Hamas.

But how to achieve this, neither one nor the other side explains to anyone.

Exactly.

And they do not explain this issue not only in France, Canada, Great Britain, where there are issues, but many citizens of Israel have exactly the same issues.

We just have an open model of governance, so people go to demonstrations, write various articles, discuss them on television.

These issues concern the Israelis.

These issues concern our allies.

In this regard, well, let's be frank, some serious sanctions, for example, France will not be able to introduce, because it is the European Union, respectively, the European Union, there is one strange ally of two states, Russia and Israel, called Orban, on the one hand, on the other hand, there is the Czech Republic, there is Germany, which, of course, will not allow sanctions against Israel, this is on the one hand.

With Canada, it's a little different.

With the UK, negotiations are now frozen to extend the agreement on the free trade zone.

This is tangible, but at the same time, there is an interest in signing this agreement on both sides.

And again, these sanctions are not talking about Israel, but about the Netanyahu government.

After all, there is someone, you know, who makes a difference.

between the fatherland and its superiority.

Therefore, this is a serious question.

This is a question that many demand an answer to.

And I will not hide that, including me, I have questions regarding...

If you declare your goals, then tell us, at least in 1.5 years,

After the beginning of the war, what is the plan?

How do we achieve this?

Again, if we want Hamas to leave power in Gaza, how and who will we put there to lead the Palestinians?

There are some more than a million Palestinians.

Who will lead them?

This is a huge question.

And how do we introduce it there?

They say, we don't want, we won't allow to rule there, for example, representatives of the Palestinian autonomy.

But let's be frank, neither Hamas nor Palestinian autonomy is a beautiful slogan, because it's like...

In fact, it is clear that Palestinians are connected either with Hamas or with the Palestinian autonomy.

But there are no Palestinians who flew from Mars.

A person who lives here, he lives here.

And, accordingly, if not him, then his relative is in one of these two organizations.

And, accordingly, there is some kind of connection and so on and so forth.

That is, it requires a more clear and transparent plan of action.

And this is not...

It's like an attack on Israel.

It's essentially pressure on the government.

They say, guys, explain what you're doing.

Well, okay.

I feel very sorry that in a year and a half after the war we came to such a situation, but as it is.

Well, you know, I think in this sense, of course, it is not yet visible how it is possible to solve the issue of this war completely, because, of course, I don't know who would agree that someone from the side would put the leadership in the gas sector.

Well, the fact is that in the gas sector, in general, there was never a leadership not from the side.

Well, that is, Hamas is, of course, a leadership of its own in many ways,

But to say that they are such democratically confirming their power... Well, democratically confirming, it sounds ridiculous, of course.

Yes, absolutely.

To put it simply, it's not like that.

But again, there are representatives of the Fatah, that is, representatives of the Palestinian administration, who are from Gaza.

There are also such.

But some of them, by the way, live in the USA, in the countries of the Persian Gulf, all over the world.

I just think that any of these people, if they now declare that they are ready to vote, or I really don't know how to do it, ready to vote, he will hardly live until next week.

On the one hand.

On the other hand, just yesterday there was news that Israel allegedly agreed with one of the clans in Gaza

which the Palestinian media now calls ISIS-related.

But again, we don't know how much they are connected and why they suddenly became connected only after there were rumors that they were cooperating with Israel.

Well, it's a kind of Bedouin clan.

in Gaza, which is armed, criminal, and supposedly it ensures the safety of the passage of these humanitarian trucks.

And with him, as it were, Israel agreed and gave him some amount of weapons.

I don't have any confirmation yet, but several media, including, by the way, the Israeli Gazeta Aretz, reprinted this message.

But in any case, there are armed groups there,

at the moment when a situation like this occurs, they can try to negotiate, including with the Zionists, as they call us, the Zionist enemy, or simply Jews, when they say they are against the Zionists.

They shout on all their videos, they shout Yahud, that is, Jews.

But in any case, there may be new military hit-and-runs that will rule there.

The problem is that it is very similar to the situation with Chechnya in Russia.

They found a strong clan with which they had an agreement.

Only the problem is that the power in Israel is interchangeable.

That is, this clan will not be obliged to only one person, for example, Benjamin Netanyahu.

And, accordingly, any next Prime Minister of Israel

Unfortunately, or fortunately, as it usually happens, he can assume that these are wrong guys, that he doesn't want to negotiate anything with some criminal authorities.

And then, yes, then they will cut out their wives the next day.

There is such a problem.

But now it will be possible to negotiate with someone.

Again, it is impossible to drop off the accounts of the monarchy of the Persian Gulf.

so unnamed during the visit of the recent Trump, because they understand that they still have to pay.

By and large, Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Qatar will pay for all this restoration and so on and so forth.

The question is whether they want to pay for something that they will have to pay again in five years.

Or they don't want to.

Accordingly, in their interests, objectively, to pay not only for the restoration of the residential sector, but also for the financing of the government that will provide their investments, so that they will not be touched, and they will be safe for the next 20-30 years at least.

We don't even talk about some longer term.

Thank you very much, Mikhail Gurievich, journalist, author of the Telegram channel Kolka Tashot in our morning broadcast.

Thank you, Mikhail.

Thank you, goodbye.

And now we will move on to the next military conflict.

Politologist Vladimir Fisyanko will join us in a few seconds.

There was a lot of information about the exchange that ended

Two days ago, there was a lot of talk that when the exchange ends, the negotiations should resume.

We don't know anything about the resumption of the negotiations yet.

Actually, we don't know anything about the exchange, because there are some phrases that seem to be

Hello.

Good morning.

Good.

Well, I started talking about the exchange and the fact that we have quite little information, to be honest, and there are conversations about the fact that civil servants are present there, but we don't even know who doesn't tell us about it.

Why is that?

Well, they do tell us.

In any case, we have such an exchange, it's a big, loud event.

a lot of videos from the place of the meeting.

Well, for families, this is primarily a holiday.

Their people, their relatives have returned, some have been in captivity since 1922.

This is always a reason for sharp discussions.

This time, for example, as it turned out,

Among those who returned, it was really the biggest exchange.

During the full-scale war, three days lasted.

And there was not a single Azov.

That is, Russia apparently refused to change the Azovians, and this was written by the current head of Azov Prokopenko, who himself was in captivity.

Well, there was a discussion again about how lists are exchanged, because one of

former political prisoners, an Ukrainian activist who spent many years in prison in Donetsk for his Ukrainian beliefs.

He was exchanged all the time.

He writes that, unfortunately, in the Russian captivity, and in the so-called DPR and LPR prisons, there are still a lot of activists, even before the full-scale invasion.

Therefore, in Ukraine, this is a big event, a lot is said about it, and there is even a discussion.

As for Russia, it is difficult for me to say, but there is data, what I see in Russian publications, there is also some discussion, but it is rather expert, in quotes.

And there are Russian propagandists who believe that in general it is not worth giving this exchange in Russia of public importance, it is not worth disclosing this information, because, as it were, prisoners are not heroes.

and there is no need to create a certain event around their perversion.

I know that there were civil servants in the lists for exchange, but from our side, some of those who returned are civil servants who were in prison for their beliefs.

As far as I understand, among those who were given to Russia, there were also people who were detained in Ukraine, who were in prison for their activities in favor of Russia.

Am I right, Vladimir, that the liberation of the Azov people is a priority for Ukraine?

Well, as a priority, you see, in terms of priorities, disputes have been going on for a long time.

That is, what should be the criteria for the exchange?

We periodically have families of those who are in captivity, who carry out actions, well, they cannot be called protests, but rather actions that should draw attention to the problem.

And there is a lot of talk about it in social networks about the criteria.

Why do they change some and there are no other exchanges in the lists?

But I think that this problem is primarily due to the fact that the lists are agreed upon.

And there is little desire, let's say, from our side to exchange someone.

The Russian side agrees to exchange someone, and someone does not.

As in the case of the Azov people.

I think that the Azov people, well, this is also mentioned in the first big exchange, when Prokopenko was also released, and the Azov leaders.

It was a special exchange procedure, but then it was changed to Medvedchuk.

Yes, we remember.

There was a status exchange, and this, again, shows that there is an agreement, an agreement of lists.

so that there is a certain parity, perhaps.

I don't know the details, because the negotiations themselves about the exchange are always closed.

The mechanism has existed since 1922.

In fact, although now everyone is connected with Istanbul, I think, of course, the decision was finalized in Istanbul.

I think this figure appeared loudly in Istanbul or was prepared specifically for Istanbul.

But in fact,

The preparation of such exchanges is carried out in a closed regime by representatives of the military, and this is an inter-departmental group, both from the Ukrainian side and from the Russian side, as far as I understand.

Well, from our side, this is supervised by military intelligence, but there are also people in this group who represent the ombudsman, representatives of the Verkhovna Rada for Human Rights, there are representatives of the SBU,

The Prosecutor's Office.

It's an inter-departmental group.

As far as I understand, the Russian side is also involved in this, including Moskoltsov, and probably representatives of the Russian special services.

Because all this is also being checked and agreed upon, including taking into account national security interests.

So, yes, each exchange is a big event.

And in Russia, on the contrary, I think, well, it is so noticeable from the outside, that in Russia, on the contrary, this is much less important.

Exchanges are held, but without public attention to this event, because, as I understand it, it is believed that prisoners are not heroes, but rather traitors.

Well, such almost Stalinist position.

It was the same with Stalin.

My grandfather was in captivity in Norway, and then, after his return, for a few more years, he was somewhere near Kazan, already in Stalinist camps.

Therefore, I don't know how it is happening in Russia now, if there is some kind of filtration.

Well, we also, by the way, are being checked.

Because there is a transgression.

There were several cases of scandals, when, apparently, there was a transgression, or one of those who were turned away, but the prisoners of war themselves were considered a traitor, or a person who helped Russian guards.

Therefore, this is also, in fact, a very difficult story, and not only from the political, but sometimes from the moral and psychological side.

I also read the comments of an expert of the Ukrainian NKVD, Mikhail Sava, who says that among 120 civilians who were handed over to Kiev, there is not a single civilian who the Russian Federation would not send without this exchange.

That is, it turns out that they gave away those who they were going to give away anyway.

Well, I'm not sure about that.

You know, now there are a lot of subjective opinions.

There could be such Russian motives.

I don't exclude this.

But, you know, it's unlikely that one of the Ukrainian experts can draw conclusions on the motives of the Russian side.

Where did this comrade or, I don't know, Mr. Sava know that Russia was going to give them away anyway?

Where did this information come from?

I don't know if he has any special contacts in the FSB or in other Russian law enforcement agencies.

I don't know.

I would like to note that we had a big discussion about the exchange.

This is not the first time.

Do you know how he explains it?

He says that all the citizens of Moscow were people with whom the decision was already made in Russia about deportation and deportation to Ukraine.

Well, maybe.

I'm not going to act as an expert here.

I'm not investigating those who were exchanged.

I'm telling you, there was a criticism from one of the Ukrainian activists from Donbass.

He noted that in the prisons, in Donetsk in particular,

There are a lot of people, a lot of activists who are in prison after 2014.

2014, 2015.

Some of them may have been arrested later, but some have been in prison for about 10 years, some for 7-8 years, even before the full-scale invasion.

Do you understand what the problem is?

As I said, each side presents its own lists.

The other side says, no, we will not give these lists.

But we are ready to give these.

And now they are colliding to make it a thousand-to-thousand.

It is quite possible, yes, the Russian side, I do not exclude this, could be smuggled or, let's say,

so that there was a balance to offer.

But let's give these people to you, we are ready to give them to you.

And there was little time.

As I understand it, these lists came together literally in the last days, literally on the eve of the exchange.

Usually, as I understand it, these exchanges, as a rule, there are 100, no more than 200 people exchanged.

As a rule, there are about 100 people, a little less, a little more.

And the lists are agreed in advance.

They meet, they agree.

And, of course, the wishes of the Ukrainian side are not always taken into account.

On the contrary, other people are offered to exchange.

And sometimes you don't have to choose.

This may have happened here as well.

So, I would not object to this.

Perhaps, haste played a role.

Perhaps, there was no choice.

We were offered such a composition.

If we had started to bargain,

The terms could be terminated, and then there would be criticism from those people, families, relatives, that our people could be released, but due to the fact that they began to trade, the exchange was terminated, and we would still be accused of breaking up this exchange.

Therefore, I will emphasize once again, this is a very delicate procedure, very difficult.

Therefore, there is a problem related to the criteria,

But there are those with criteria who are selected for exchange, well, from our side.

But, unfortunately, the problem is that the Russian side offers its lists and the choice of Ukraine is significantly limited.

Vladimir, I want to talk to you about, it seems to me, the news that we have been waiting for a very long time.

A lot was said about the red lines.

First, there was a question whether to supply tanks to Ukraine, then whether to supply planes to Ukraine, whether to supply rockets.

And just the day before, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said, we decided to do our best so that Ukraine could

to strike long-range missiles into Russian territory.

Previously, it only concerned those regions that are on the border.

Now there is this solution.

But everyone, firstly, says that it is, to put it mildly, lazy, and the military,

Experts say that Kiev's missile, which it could have gotten so far, actually didn't stay.

How do you look at this story?

Unambiguously.

Well, first of all, I will note such an indicative fact, that as soon as Merz said about it, the new Kanzlerferge, I emphasize the new,

This is an important point.

His colleague in the government, the Vice-Premier and the Minister of Finance, well, the Vice-Chancellor and the Minister of Finance, who represents another party, the former ruling party, well, now they are also ruling, but without their Chancellor, the Social Democrat, said that there is no new decision.

We are talking about the confirmation of the previous decision, a decision that was adopted last year.

This resolution about long-range, about the fact that it is possible to strike at deep targets in Russia, not only at border targets, but also at depth, this resolution was made since last year.

Therefore, March has only confirmed the decision that was made earlier.

A new decision has not been made.

Why is it important to talk about a new decision?

Because there is a discussion, in particular in Germany, about German long-range missiles.

Taurus.

And immediately there was an agitation in Ukraine.

Well, the Germans will finally give Taurus.

And then there was a replica of this vice-chancellor.

I think that most likely it is about the previous decision.

When the phrase Merz appeared, I was also a little surprised, because it mentioned four countries.

Great Britain, France, Germany and the United States.

I was most surprised by the United States and Trump.

However, if we remember the previous situation, Great Britain, France,

They gave such a permission before.

And Biden gave such a permission to use ATAKAMS not only in the border zone, but also at greater depth.

And as far as I understand, it was used, in particular, in the Kursk region.

Now, as far as I know, most of these missiles, well, ATAKAMS are American, almost all of them were used.

There are also Storm Shadow, British and French missiles.

They are called Storm Shadow by the British and Scalp by the French, I think.

I don't know, there is some reserve, but probably most of it is also used.

The other thing is that now Ukraine is negotiating new supplies.

Negotiations are going on in a closed regime.

But first of all, for us, the priority is the supply of missiles for air defense systems.

and missiles for the same F-16s, because F-16s are used to intercept winged missiles, sometimes even drones, as far as I understand.

Now there is a new problem.

A number of experts say that Russia is constantly changing the tactics of drone strikes against Ukraine.

In particular, they use low-flying drones at a very low altitude.

I'll tell you, we hear, almost every night we hear the sounds of these drones.

They have some kind of specific sound, so at night it's especially audible.

Because the attacks are mostly at night.

But in Odessa, there were attacks from a high altitude, from a height of 4 kilometers.

And here, ordinary anti-aircraft guns are not enough.

Here you need to use either special installations, well, the same Buk, for example, is sadly known, which was shot down by MH17.

There are such installations in Ukraine, but there are probably not so many of them left.

Or you need to use planes.

And in the case of...

Drones, of course, there are different types of weapons used.

And for Ukraine now, there are negotiations about, first of all,

We were given a new rocket for the PVO-Patriot systems.

This is now one of the priorities.

There are few such rockets.

They are deficient.

And now Germany has given us some batches.

As far as I understand, negotiations are also underway with the Americans on this.

This is the main priority.

Here is a rocket, apparently, for the F-16.

A rocket for the intercept function.

And, perhaps, the issue of long-range missiles is also being discussed.

In fact, this statement, in my opinion, is rather of a prophylactic nature.

It is a warning.

It appeared immediately after the massive air attacks of Russia on Ukrainian cities.

And most likely, Chancellor Merz warned in this way.

Either you stop the strikes, or Ukraine will strike our missiles on your territory.

I see here rather a prophylactic warning.

But as the vice-chancellor's reply showed,

from the partner party.

This is also a political problem for Germany.

There are discussions on this matter, but it is old.

And it was in the previous year in the former coalition, and in the current coalition, apparently, this is also a question of coordination between Christian Democrats and Social Democrats.

Therefore, I do not think that we are already talking about some new decision, rather about joining Germany,

to those countries that made such a decision last year.

How great is the risk that if, for example, Patriot rockets will not just be put, but sold to Kiev, I understand that this is now a fundamental question for Trump and so on, it can put under question the negotiation process itself.

How justified are these fears in Washington?

After all, it is the American media that writes about it.

No, I don't see any problem here.

Those same ATAKAMS, TAURUS are strike weapons for attacks on Russian territory.

Rockets for air defense systems are defensive weapons for sky protection.

Therefore, there is no problem for the negotiation process.

The problem for the negotiation process is the massive air attacks of Russia on Ukrainian cities.

This is the problem.

And I think this problem has become obvious in recent days.

And I would like to draw your attention to an interesting point.

Literally yesterday, there was a lot of, I don't know, like in Russia, but in Russia they silenced this topic, or rather this phrase about Trump.

Well, no, we talked a lot about it.

No, no, you said it.

Well, it's us who said it, Volodya, you don't compare it to the first channel.

They silenced it on the first channel, really.

About the official Russian media, yes.

And Peskov expressed himself very carefully on this topic.

And in Ukraine, the Trump phrase was discussed in a very violent way.

Someone had illusions again, someone was already skeptical about it.

But what should I pay attention to?

In the previous days, more than 200 drones were launched every night in Ukraine.

There was a peak, in my opinion,

You know, in my opinion, yes, in my opinion, well, just two days in a row, there was news that the most massive attack on Ukraine.

And the next day, again, the most massive attack, this has not yet happened.

Well, just on the weekend, at night, on Saturday, on Sunday, on Monday, there were the most massive air attacks.

There were about 300 drones.

Look, I'll read it to you now.

Russian military used it to strike Ukraine.

350 drones, as well as several cruise missiles were reported to the Armed Forces.

According to the military, this is a record number of long-range drones launched during one attack.

The previous record in 298 BPLA was recorded the previous night.

Actually, yes.

But it was even earlier.

This night, I specially looked at the official message this morning, because according to our feelings today, we did not hear the work of the PVO system, but this is our area, maybe we did not have it, and Ukraine is still not a small country, and even the Kiev region is not small.

I looked, 60 drones.

A few times less.

Well, if you take the number 300, well, to round it up, it's five times less.

Five times less.

Yes, well, that's already a kind of effect.

That is, after all, this phrase of Trump, plus the threat of sanctions...

This harsh statement of Merz, I think, had a certain effect.

Putin and the Kremlin, let's put it this way, have relieved their own, in quotation marks,

and reduced the number of these air strikes.

Well, it is clear that it is unlikely that it is possible to hit the maximum with such a large number of missiles and drones every day.

There is also its own wave-like nature, there are peaks of strikes, then the intensity of such strikes is slightly reduced.

But in any case, the difference is very large.

Maybe it's a coincidence.

And maybe this is a reaction to the fact that in the West, let's say, they began to perceive it too sharply, according to Moscow.

And Moscow has changed its tactics.

I will not be surprised if in the coming days Russian proposals will finally come to Washington and Kiev.

Russian, as they say, compromising proposals for the end of the war.

Again, in order to create an illusion for Trump,

that Russia wants to end the war.

Well, Vladimir, when I read the news, yes, on the one hand, it is a noise in Wall Street Journal, yes, and a loud article about the fact that supposedly new sanctions are being prepared, we hear about it already, it is not clear how much, yes, and on the other hand, well, it seems that Trump is really tired of doing this, because the

the negotiation process, and he is impatient, and we know that he wants to get everything here and now, and the process is really slow.

And no matter how much we talk about the exchange first, and then the negotiations will continue again, it seems that now the silence is maximum.

No, but the fact that there was a pause in the negotiation process is absolutely true, it is factologically confirmed.

But again, both the war and the negotiation process, especially the negotiation process, go in waves.

Here we see a surge.

The surge was...

In the middle of May, well, somewhere starting on May 10, it actually started, and it lasted until Trump's speech a week ago, until the 19th.

There was such a surge in negotiations.

And now there is a pause.

Well, if you don't count the visit of the Turkish Foreign Minister to Russia.

I think that the Turks are now worried about the Vatican and want Istanbul and Turkey to remain as a platform for negotiations.

In addition, Turkey is also trying to play the role of an intermediary.

But in any case, the negotiation situation is very difficult now.

However, I would not draw conclusions from this phrase by Trump.

We have a discussion about when Trump's patience will burst.

There is such a sweet Ukrainian expression in the Ukrainian language, when Trump's patience will burst.

There has been a discussion about this for more than two months.

They expect, well, that's it, that's the reason.

Again, Russia did something bad there, when there were strikes on the Krivyi Rih, in particular.

Then in Kiev, yes, well, there was a strike on Sunday, well, that's a good reason, let's have sanctions against Russia.

Nothing of this happens.

Even when there is a sharp reaction from the official Washington, as it was at the beginning of April, just after the strike on Sunday, because it is still a religious holiday, and even the Trump media reacted very sharply.

Now Trump has personally shown his irritation.

But what should I pay attention to?

He expressed his emotional remarks against Putin in the first place, but criticized Zelensky too.

For balance, probably.

This is very indicative.

Therefore, with sanctions, the situation is as follows.

Information that there is a developed package of sanctions in the White House for such prevention purposes, for pressure on Moscow, it appeared around mid-May.

A number of American media wrote about it.

And apparently this package is on Trump's desk.

But whether Trump will approve this decision or not, we do not know.

There is a parallel topic, but it is more likely for the piano.

This is such a loud bill about the hellish sanctions, a bill by Lindsey Graham, which is in the Senate.

Graham has published his open letter to Russia.

But it seems to me to be used rather for such psychological and political pressure on Russia.

Like, let's agree on real negotiations to stop the fire, or we are conducting such sanctions.

But I skeptically perceive the Instagram law.

There are such numbers, 500% tariffs, and we are talking about tariffs, well, in fact, additional tariffs, not on companies that buy Russian oil.

Against them, tariff sanctions, as a rule, act.

And this is China, India, Turkey, by the way.

China and China have now found certain temporary trade compromises, a 90-day pause has been taken before they find more systemic fundamental compromises.

Therefore, I am not sure that sanctions will be introduced now in this volume, but the fact that sanctions may be, yes, this is an option, but whether Trump will introduce them or not, no one knows.

You see, what Trump has in his head, you can say, in simple words, is porridge.

Such a set of eclectic, contradictory institutions, and it is difficult to say in favor of what Trump will make the choice.

About when he will burst with patience.

Regarding Putin, apparently, the patience is quite large, because he has repeatedly expressed irritation,

doubt that Putin is honest and sincere.

Then again, as it was in the conversation with Putin a week ago, he again believed that Putin wants peace.

Therefore, when Trump goes to some more decisive actions in the name of Putin, it is impossible to say.

It can happen really impulsively, suddenly, and it may take more than a month.

Many people say that this summer should be very important for Kiev, because if Ukraine stands out, then by autumn Vladimir Putin can run out of both human resources and technical resources.

There will be no more BMP tanks.

And it is then that some people say that

Putin will have to find a solution somehow.

What do you think about this?

Well, I can say, first of all, from my experience, from discussions with colleagues and with our foreign colleagues, that this is indeed a very popular point of view.

Moreover, for the first time, I remember, my colleagues and I were in Warsaw in December, there was such an international meeting, such a small brainstorming.

That's when they talked about it.

At that time, there were more estimates that at least by the end of the year, Russia would have enough resources.

As for the future, we will look at the situation.

In recent months, there have been a lot of talks, President Zelensky is talking about it, that Russia has made a bet on the summer offensive.

And we see signs of this.

The hostilities have already been activated on the border between Kursk and the Sumy region.

In the Pokrovsk area, there is a concentration of resources in separate areas, Russian resources.

Therefore, yes, there is a great probability that

In the next month, it will be a period of intense military action.

As for when Russia can agree or go to more realistic peace negotiations, there are different estimates.

Indeed, most experts assume that by the autumn, by the end of the year, Russia will probably be more pragmatic in approaching the negotiation process.

And not only in connection with the exhaustion of resources.

If Ukraine stands out in the coming months, if the military situation in autumn or at the end of the year will be relatively stable, then it will be clear that Russia's bet on the fact that

Ukraine will collapse, will not withstand the Russian offensive, that Ukraine cannot fight without American help, this bet is not justified.

And then we will have to negotiate.

This is one argument.

The second argument is what you quoted, that there may indeed be problems with human resources, I mean the possibility of additional mobilization or recruiting of the Russian Armed Forces.

Some experts believe that due to the same drones, Russia almost went to the ceiling, or due to the production of other military resources.

And there is not enough, by the way, labor resources.

However, about tanks and BMP, this is not the main type of weapon now.

Yes, drones, including on the front line.

The main killing force is the combat drones.

In different modifications, as a rule, they are small, they play even more role than artillery.

And in fact, it is the use of combat drones, firstly,

leveled such a popular way of assault actions as massive attacks with the use of armored vehicles.

Tanks are now practically useless on the front line.

They are used, both by Russians and by us, more likely as artillery.

Armored vehicles are important, but rather as a way of delivery, as a logistical instrument, but not as an instrument for assault operations.

Now it is known that this new commander of the land forces in Russia was the initiator of the use of motorcycles for attack.

and other light transport means.

This is now a very popular tactic, really, because of the attack by small groups.

And this is all connected, of course, with the fact that drones along the front line create the so-called kill zone, the death zone, the killing zone, you can call it that.

And this has completely changed the nature of the war.

So in this sense, in terms of resources, the situation is not the same as it used to be.

Yes, there will be a deficit of some resources in Russia, but I think the main factor that may disappear by the end of the year is the confidence of the Kremlin that the Kremlin can win this war against Ukraine.

I remember that in April there were such publications even in Western media that Putin now feels himself in April 2025 as Stalin in April 1945.

I will win this war a little more.

There is no help from Ukraine from the United States.

Ukraine itself, without the military support of the West, will not be able to wage a war.

Therefore, it is necessary to press, it is necessary to increase the pressure, to start a new offensive, and that's it.

And either we will conquer half of Ukraine, or Ukraine will fall and capitulate.

That's exactly what Stavka is doing.

Therefore, if we stand up, if by the end of the year it will be clear that Russia has not managed to achieve key military and political goals in this war, well, then, yes, then it will be necessary to agree on the cessation of fire.

Although there is also the opposite point of view.

A lot of people talk about it in Russia, including Medinsky himself, that Russia will continue the war on exhaustion.

Let it not be a war of high intensity, but a constant military pressure on Ukraine, blackmailing both Ukraine and the West by military means, and thus forcing them to end the war on their terms.

Unfortunately, this option is still possible.

And in order for Putin to agree to the negotiations,

to realistic negotiations.

First of all, a military factor is important here.

We need to stabilize the front.

Secondly, pressure is necessary.

Pressure, first of all, from the US.

Why are there so many talks about Trump's decision-making?

Because it is the pressure from the US

can also remove another illusion of Putin, that Trump will simply get tired of the war in Ukraine, spit on all this and leave, not only from negotiations, but also forget about the existence of Ukraine.

And there will be no weapons supply in Ukraine.

By the way, there are no weapons supply.

And now there are negotiations on the resumption of weapons supply.

And, of course, only for money.

We are no longer talking about free aid.

But just the activation of Russia's military actions against Ukraine is a very good, strong argument for some people in the Trump administration,

that the supply of weapons to Ukraine must be resumed.

And that the supply of weapons to Ukraine can become a very strong argument in forcing Putin to negotiate.

You know, we have no time at all, the broadcast should end, but you know, I still think about the fact that now they have allowed to beat with a long-range weapon, just at the moment when Trump says that it is necessary to stop the fire.

how to solve this dilemma.

The resolution was in the last year.

Yes, yes, well, it's clear, but now there is an emphasis on the fact that, well, Trump is angry because Putin continues to beat on Ukraine.

Yes, if Ukraine now starts to beat with long-range weapons, then it will also cause problems.

Ukraine beats with its long-range weapons, beats with its drones, by Russian military plants, for military purposes.

They are closing the sky in Moscow.

Yes, no, the strikes continue.

Here, I say, the strikes are on both sides.

Just Russia beats the cities, beats the civilian population.

This is the problem.

But how will Trump react?

Do you understand what the matter is?

God knows how he will react.

No, no, no.

So far, yes, unfortunately, the answer is that God knows.

But on the other hand, I think that if now, in the near future,

some more active and more realistic negotiations will be resumed, well, then yes, then it is possible, and I will tell you, it is also listened to in Kiev.

If Trump says, that's it, the negotiations have begun, so let's reduce the military activity a little, well, maybe it will affect both sides.

In any case, I did not accidentally give an example that Moscow has just reduced the intensity of its air strikes on Ukraine today.

Maybe this is a coincidence, maybe not.

Therefore, everything will depend on how the negotiation process will develop further.

But if the military actions are large-scale, I think that the delivery of the same missiles and the delivery of American weapons is a completely realistic scenario.

Vladimir Fisenko, Vladimir Rovinsky, Irina Bubloyan.

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