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7 hours and 57 minutes.

It's Moscow time.

Good morning to everyone.

Today is May 22nd.

It's already horror.

It's almost summer.

It's Thursday in the yard.

We start the morning turnaround today in an unusual lineup.

In my opinion, in the debut lineup.

We have never worked in such a lineup.

Liza Anikina and Ida Rachmodeev.

Liza, hello.

Hello, Aydar.

Yes, we really never did an morning show with you, but once we did a program with you, Dilettante, if you remember.

Oh, yes, which no one watched, probably, because there are very few views.

Friends, if you watched the program Dilettante with me and Aydar, please like it so that we can see you.

If you didn't watch it, then go and google it, because, in my opinion, it was interesting.

It was very interesting.

It's true, Liza Anikina generally publishes interesting material in the magazine Dilettante.

I want to pay special attention to it, so buy the magazine Dilettante.

By the way, a new issue has been released, which is already on sale at dilettante.shop.

We will present it tomorrow, on Friday, in the program of 96 pages on Zhivom Gvozd.

That's how we started with you, with advertising.

Well, that's good.

It's not advertising, it's a built-in product placement.

Yes, yes, yes.

In general, yes, Journal Dilettante, I have material about Samantha Smith, I give you such a small announcement, the same girl who wrote a letter to Andropov, asked why you, Andropov, are going to destroy the whole world.

and the United States, and then she was invited to Russia to show that the Soviet Union was not going to destroy the United States.

Unfortunately, the girl died very early.

Yes, a sad story, really, but very interesting, very touching.

Well, okay, I won't step on your field and announce the dilettante earlier than time.

Friends, write, how are you in the morning?

How are you feeling?

How is your day going, if you are in a different time zone?

Aydar is heroically announcing Moscow time, but he has a different time zone, he has one hour less, he has one hour harder to get up.

No, you look great.

So, friends, write, how are you doing, how are you feeling?

I see that they are writing to us.

From Astrakhan, they say hello from St. Petersburg.

Good morning from Dubai, we have a plus 32 in the morning.

Natalia, hold on, this is terrible.

It seems to me that you can fry eggs on the balcony, just put a frying pan.

It seems to me that this is insanely difficult.

Where else do you write?

Good morning to everyone, Liza Aydar, good morning.

Today Kraken will be released a little earlier, get ready.

Aydar already told me who is on the air, Kraken.

I thought it was me, Kraken, it turned out to be not me, Kraken.

Take care of yourself and your loved ones, have a good broadcast.

In general, hello everyone, I am very glad to see you.

Good morning to everyone.

Masha, do you want?

Oh my God, Masha, Liza, that's it, I have everything.

You don't recognize other presenters, do you?

Aydar, I'm ready to be Masha for you.

No, no, today you are Masha.

Lisa, do you want me to tell you a secret?

A secret for everyone.

Regarding the letter from Samantha Smith, I had a similar story with me.

You know that we are generally young, and therefore my childhood was a bit like that of Dmitry Medvedev, who, in my opinion, was relatively recently.

And you know, when he just became president, I remember I wrote him a letter.

Seriously?

About what?

Yes, I wrote him a letter.

And, in fact, such a very strange occasion, I wanted to go to the Tretyakov Gallery.

I don't know why I wrote Medvedev's letter.

I used to live in Ufa, of course, not in Moscow.

And somehow I got caught up in this idea to get there, to look at the paintings.

And I think, let me write, I'll just take it and write.

I don't know why I had such an idea in my head.

I came, I wrote a letter, and they answered me.

Wow!

And what did they answer?

I remember there was an answer in which, well, they told me that, I don't remember for sure, that, as if, come there, yes, we don't only have the Tretyakov Gallery here, we have a lot of other things here, and in general, you have a great desire and all that.

But you don't have money, you go on your own, right?

Yes, yes, yes.

There was such a dismissal, really, but then the child was nice to me.

I, to be honest, was generally, you know,

As a child who liked to experiment, I thought, well, there is a website where the President of Russia is contacted.

Why not?

Am I not a citizen, or what?

Here is my civil position.

What a brave boy you were.

I had such an experience of writing a letter to the President of Russia.

But then, you know, there were such times.

Dmitry Medvedev is a man, he was perceived as a reformer.

And many people put their hopes on him and so on.

I thought, let me write a letter to him.

Look, you have a document of the era.

What?

You have a document of the era.

A letter to the president, to Medvedev, when he had not yet run his Telegram channel, where he called everyone a swine.

It seems to me that it is worthy to somehow immortalize it.

Well, you know, I think if I wrote him a letter now, then I would get the most beautiful literary response with all his quotes, which, you remember, were behind Dmitry Medvedev's back at the event when he recently performed in front of the students.

Now, of course, he writes much better.

The writer from him turned out great over the years.

Listen, don't you want to try to write him the same thing?

Like, so-and-so, I'm a boy from Ufa, I want to see the Tretyakov Gallery just for comparison, to assess how the slogan has changed, how the position has changed.

Maybe this time he'll pay you to go to the Tretyakov Gallery.

You know, it seems to me quite to myself, he will say, come, come.

What are you there, where are you there, why are you there?

Well, come on, we will pay you both in Tretyakovskaya and somewhere else, in other historical places.

We have a lot of places, yes, that have been visited by different famous people of different eras.

Come.

I think Dmitry Medvedev will gladly pay me for such a trip.

Tim writes in our chat, and I wrote a letter to Gorbachev in my youth, yes, they answered and even helped us, there were such times, there was a perestroika.

Oh, tell us in more detail.

Yes, write how you helped, what you wrote, what you asked for, because I never wrote to anyone, I didn't ask for anything, of course, they didn't give me anything.

All Soviet pianists know Samantha Smith, who writes The Year of the Dragon.

There was a good message somewhere that I missed, but I will try to find it.

There was also something interesting there, I already forgot what it was.

Yes, yes, well, you know, in fact, I think there was some kind of advice here, I also missed it, the advice is to write a letter right now to Vladimir Putin with your wishes.

I think, you know, it is risky, especially to express your wishes today.

By the way, write, please, what would you write to Vladimir Putin now?

Oh, Aydar, friends, remember that if you're in Russia, it's better to write carefully.

No, let's just try to write such an adequate letter without all the bad wishes.

It will be interesting to hear.

You set a very difficult task, Aydar.

I think I couldn't handle it.

The only one who could help me in this is the GPT chat.

You know how they ask to write a request to colleagues to lie less, to behave normally.

Like the GPT chat.

I want to kill them all.

I will formulate it so that it sounds correct.

And ChatGPT writes, dear colleagues, it seems to me that there is a tense situation in our working team that should be resolved in some humane way.

It seems to me that it is worth writing a letter to Vladimir Putin in this context.

Yes, yes, yes.

But when you said about killing, you meant something just random, right?

That is, not specifically a letter to someone.

No, I meant this to my colleagues.

When all my colleagues, I don't know, you, Aydar, for example, come on the air a minute later, and that's it, I'm very angry, I want to write you a letter.

Well, write a letter to Aydar Akhmadiev that I want to kill him in the morning for the fact that he was late and came very late.

Just formulate it somehow, please.

Yes, yes, yes.

Carefully.

We just have a rubric with Alexander Kalmanovsky on Saturdays, and we constantly complain to each other with Nikita Vasylenko.

I say, well, let's imagine the situation that Nikita Vasylenko is there.

That's why I also brought you as an example now.

Don't think, listeners, that I don't treat Aydar well.

Yes, we are ideal to all our colleagues.

Yes, really.

You know, I opened the post of Mikhail Baryshnikov.

Now I will tell you who he is.

He is a deputy of the National Assembly of St. Petersburg.

Yes.

And he recently published a post on his Telegram channel.

You know, apparently, it was an instruction for the GPT chat.

Or for Yandex.GPT, read the post.

To create a post congratulating the birthday of the governor of St. Petersburg, Alexander Dmitrievich Beglov, mentioning the exact course, purposefulness, movement with time and development, can be linked to today's day of pioneering and wish on behalf of the deputy of the Zagst Mikhail Ivanovich Baryshnikov.

Well, actually, he took the instructions and published them.

Apparently, he was a little in a hurry and didn't write them in there.

Yes, it was necessary to write in the GPT chat, and he wrote it in his Telegram channel.

Well, who of us didn't write congratulations using the GPT chat?

I didn't write it once.

Not once?

No.

First of all, I don't know how to use the GPT chat, if Lyosha went for it.

You don't use it?

No, and I don't need it, to be honest.

Well, for entertainment, I tried it a couple of times, but it doesn't stand anywhere for me, and I don't need it.

I don't try to be too politically correct using GPT, I say everything directly, and that's why I don't need to use it.

Yes, well, ChargeBT, in fact, it helps me personally.

However, you need to check everything.

I do not trust him in writing texts in any case, because it may not turn out very well.

But with the search for information, because sometimes it can, you know, give some kind of analytical note, although you have to go through the sources, but it really catches something that the human eye can miss in the same Google.

Well, let's tell us who we will have today.

We have just a fiery lineup of guests today.

We have already been noted in the chat that we have a fantastic set of our guests today.

First, we will have Alexey Venediktov at 8.30.

We will talk about the upcoming exchange, the upcoming exchange.

We will talk about the negotiations.

We have quite a lot of questions for him.

We will try to figure it out.

in the current situation.

Then at 9.40 we have journalist Oleg Kashin.

Traditional rubric, as I understand, from Aydar and Masha.

So here you know better than me what these conversations will be about.

At 9.10 Vyacheslav Shiraev, economic observer.

For some reason he is not in our announcement.

I hope that now he will magically appear there.

Let's talk about the ruble exchange rate, about foreign trade, about

17th or what is there 117th, 217th package of sanctions about privatization and nationalization, where we have a golden middle and balance, maybe even about pension, let's talk a little, let's see if we have time or not.

Well, at 10.30 Kirill Rogov, a wonderful guest, political scientist, director of the project.

project ReRussia.

We also have several interesting topics for him.

You can write your questions.

We are always happy to read good questions from listeners, from viewers, if they appear in the chat.

So, friends, please, welcome, we will be very happy.

Yes.

You know, I read your messages in the chat.

Write, write.

Let's listen to the news release from Echo News.

And while you are there, write your writings about Vladimir Putin, including.

It will be interesting to read.

So, the news release on the Echo News telegram channel.

The morning summary.

Ukrainian drones attacked Moscow, Tula and Novomoskovsk in the Tula region.

Starting late in the evening and all night, the mayor of the capital reported the destruction of drones.

According to his reports, only three dozen BPA were shot down.

In Tula, according to the governor, several houses were damaged during the attack, two people were easily injured.

In Novo-Moscow, where there are chemical plants and several other enterprises, residents counted 19 explosions, according to the Telegram channel of the base.

The next negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, according to the Wall Street Journal, will take place in the Vatican.

The sources of the newspaper reported that the meeting is scheduled for the middle of June.

The White House, on the other hand, will be directed by Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Special Ambassador to the President Keita Kellogg.

Since the beginning of the mobilization in Russia, more than half a million people have made front-line credit vacations.

Mediazona writes about this with a reference to the data of the Central Bank.

You can only get benefits from loans taken before the war, so the number of vacations made allows you to estimate the number of replenishment of the Russian army.

CNN published audio recordings of the negotiations between the Russian military, which can testify to the murder of the captured soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As reported, the radio intercept was made in the Zaporozhye region in November last year.

The military with the names of Art and Bel discuss that only the Ukrainian commander should be left alive.

At the end of the conversation, one military man reports on the execution of the order.

Brazilian special services discovered a factory of Russian spies inside the country.

The New York Times writes that as part of the operation, at least nine Russian agents were found.

Two were detained, the rest returned to their homeland.

According to the special services, they used Brazil as a bridgehead for further spy operations.

Two employees of the Israeli embassy were killed in Washington.

As reported by the CBC News channel, they were shot on the way out of the Jewish Museum.

At the same time, the attacker shouted a slogan for the freedom of Palestine.

The suspect was detained.

The embassy said that during the attack, two more officers were wounded.

The Bitcoin rate has updated the historical maximum, rising to $110,000.

According to trading sites, the value of cryptocurrency has increased by 3% per day.

The previous record of 109,000 was set 4 months ago.

This was a summary from our colleagues from the Echo news channel.

Such a summary comes out 3 times on weekdays and 2 times on weekends.

And between them are detailed stories, detailed stories about the events of the day.

I have a favorite column on Echo News, I forgot what it's called, but it's these little stories, completely unrelated to the news, about the fact that, for example, a pack of chips was thrown out in the cave, and it led to some kind of economic collapse, or about the fact that they invented fantastic robots somewhere.

These things related to science amaze me.

I love it, I just love it.

Yes, indeed, this rubric is popular.

Read it, go and subscribe to the history rubric, yes.

And you know, I also sometimes write these stories there when I have to.

My respect.

In our chat, they do not write letters to Putin and do not write letters to Medvedev, but share their experience of communicating with the GPT chat.

The kind Konstantin writes, I taught my mother the GPT chat, otherwise I would be the intermediary between her and the chat, now she hangs out there for days.

Goddrakona writes, you need to check the neural network, he sometimes writes such creatives that you get pumped up, you must check it, it's true.

He is a very good connoisseur and very convincingly lies, you need to check any accurate information that he sends.

Oksana writes, congratulations, I didn't write, but the accompanying letter for the resume, yes.

Now students write work with the help of chats, bots, and teachers already check them, and they rate them, horror.

Well, in my opinion, this is a rather funny phenomenon.

In general, apparently, the G5 charge caused more excitement than Putin's letter.

No one wants to write to him in the given conditions.

You know, the day before I read the story, whether it was a Spanish or an Italian newspaper, now I will not find it very quickly.

Please write who remembers this story, who has also seen it.

In general, the newspaper decided to place a list of readings, that is, to offer books to its readers, for example, for the summer.

Read it, you will become smarter.

And then it turned out that, apparently, the journalist made a little mistake, maybe he decided with the help of ChatGPT to transfer his work to him and rest at that time.

It turned out that 80% of the books that were offered, they were just invented, that is, they do not exist.

ChatGPT invented these books and added them to the list, and that's it.

Indeed, it is necessary to re-check often, and there is also a free version of ChatGPT or a paid version, because the paid version is more

more honest, smarter, as it seems to me, well, yes.

Well, again, to the question, why use a journalist, chat, GPT, it seems to me, the only benefit, really, the great benefit that could be from it, it would be a collection of information, because it takes a lot of time, and when someone picks up facts for you, which you need for the material, it's cool.

I would gladly collect for a dilettante, but you don't collect there, then you don't take shame with what he wrote to you.

This is true, this is true, it must be checked.

Yes, you know, the story here is with the drones that again attacked Moscow.

Indeed, after a slight calm, Ukraine resumed mass air attacks on the country.

We see this from yesterday's reports.

According to today's news, dozens of drones were intercepted again on the way to Moscow, according to Mayor Sergei Sobyanin.

Again, I turn to our chat.

Who lives in the capital region?

Have you heard or seen anything?

Tell me, have you witnessed this attack or not?

Lisa, have you heard anything?

No, I didn't hear anything, but it seems to me that it is not very fair to address only the residents of the capital region.

Several more regions have suffered from air strikes, but suffered is, of course, a rather loud word, given how the Ukrainian cities suffer, or how the border areas suffer, where there are real destructions from various strikes, the death of people, victims, and so on.

But in general, those who today also heard somewhere drones, maybe saw drones, write, because I have not even heard any unnecessary sounds from them yet.

Once, being outside the city, I heard the alarm of the siren, but it was also quite short, and in general, very quiet.

So somehow it has not yet affected my life in any way.

If it affected yours, write in the chat.

Yes, well, probably the story of drones concerns only a small number of people who were in a certain area of the city or region or other regions at that time.

But, you know, a broader story is the problem with mobile communication.

which probably affected a large number of people.

At least on the eve of the failures, residents of the Moscow region, the Lipetsk region, the Tula region were reported.

And here, too, complaints came.

And even the governor of the Tula region, Dmitry Milaev, announced that on the day of the 21st, that is, yesterday, the mobile Internet was temporarily disabled for the sake of the safety of all residents, as he said.

He explained that enemy air attacks do not stop, security is the most important thing.

I ask you to treat such measures with understanding, he wrote on his Telegram channel.

At the same time, stationary home Wi-Fi works in the regular mode.

at least according to the governor's version, complaints began to come in, people said that there were interruptions, some are observed, as it was during the May holidays, during the Victory Day, yes, especially this touched you.

I'm sorry that I'm constantly addressing you, because you are here now, and answer the questions, you are just living with us.

Wow, he's asking, he's asking from me, he's still lighting a flashlight in my face, right through the camera.

I'll just read it now.

From what they write in the chat, Ramenskaya has clapped several times, says Elena.

Here, Ramenskaya, apparently, from such nearby regions, suffers very actively, constantly writes about the fact that some drones are being shot down there.

The king of the ball writes, they haven't seen, haven't heard, but...

The flight route from Sheremetyevo was changed for a short time.

The planes flew right over the houses of Krasnogorsk.

Usually they don't fly like that.

Vitaly writes, there is no communication for more than a day in the Moscow region.

Somewhere else there was a message about the Voronezh region, three claps, writes Evgeny.

Ekaterina writes, hello, in Tula today at two o'clock in the morning I woke up from two powerful explosions.

I live in the center.

In general, yes, they really face this directly.

Tula was very loud and bright, says Ekaterina too.

Yes, write more if you noticed, saw, heard, suffered.

Please tell us about the connection.

Listen, even yesterday we had some problems, and with Wi-Fi and mobile Internet, not very active problems.

They ended quite quickly, but it was noticeable that at some point the Internet began to work worse, and on May holidays...

We even had a transfer of the broadcast from the Moscow studio to the Berlin one, and the presenters too.

We changed turns, because we just weren't sure if the Internet would work in Moscow, if the wired Internet would work, because they promised problems only with mobile Internet.

But in fact, Wi-Fi stopped working for many people.

At some point, Wi-Fi stopped working for me.

My cell phone connection disappeared, despite the fact that I live

not in the center of Moscow at all, not even close to the center of Moscow, far beyond the center of Moscow, but there were still serious problems with the Internet, with any Internet, and we feared that on May 9 we would simply not be able to make a turn.

So, yes, it was not cool here to touch on a sufficient extent.

Yes, it even touched me, although I am generally outside the country, because when we made the morning turn with Masha Myers, it was May 7, in the morning, in my opinion, then there were already problems with the Internet, then we were already hanging there for some time, maybe our regular viewers remember it, we just flew out at the most interesting moment.

Do you know who was interviewed at that moment?

Well?

Valery Solovyov.

It was necessary to get rid of the Internet during the interview with Solovion.

It seems to me terrible.

By the way, by the way, today Valery Solovey will be in my opinion, not at 19, be sure to come.

Wow, well, they will definitely come there, they will definitely come there.

Yes, Valery Solovey, we have a very high-ranking guest, so to speak, who gets a lot of views.

Yes, please write your message.

Here I see, they tell us that they really faced problems with the mobile Internet, it disappeared for 3-4 hours, wow, they didn't see the drones.

And Irina writes that she has never seen them at all, yes, but with the Internet,

faced.

And really, you know, it's not just a matter of the fact that a person will not be able to order delivery from Yandex food, yes, or transfer money.

Damn him, okay, okay, you can endure there and nothing catastrophic will happen.

But often people who also experienced these problems, they told me that they did not even manage to call the emergency services.

And this can already become a big problem.

Yes, this is exactly what I thought when there were these disconnections before May 9 and on May 9, when entering Moscow, the border was clearly visible when you enter and everything stops working approximately.

And I was wondering how to be with those people who needed help at that moment.

Wait until the parade is over or what?

Interesting logic.

But yes, but so far, it seems, there are no more such problems.

In any case, these small interruptions in communication have not yet affected.

Yes, another story from yesterday, it seems to me, is important enough.

We somehow mentioned this in the course earlier.

This is the ruble exchange rate.

Why did it become important?

Because the ruble exchange rate has generally dropped below 80.

The dollar exchange rate.

The dollar rate, yes, of course.

The dollar rate is below 80 for the first time in two years.

This is, however, the official rate set by the Central Bank, but it affects, among other things, foreign trade, income from foreign trade in Russia and the like.

I just went to Forex.

This is a non-currency international market.

Here, too, 79.7, that is, like this, also below 80, and it costs a dollar in relation to a ruble.

And you know, in fact, yes, it is absolutely inconvenient, I am sure, for the Russian authorities.

And there were talks that it is necessary to somehow raise the exchange rate, while it must be done carefully, because it can generally fly into the sky.

And in this context, I think that many people began to buy these dollars too.

If there is such an opportunity, at least in online banks, it is possible to do it, in my opinion, in Russia.

Write.

We also wanted to have a vote.

Let's have a vote.

Do you buy dollars?

In general, we will ask.

Do you buy dollars?

Yes or no?

Just two options.

Do you try to buy more at this low dollar rate in order to sell later?

Or, for example,

Are you planning to go on vacation and want to stock up on some kind of international currency in advance so that you can pay off in this vacation?

Well, if you can, also write in more detail, not necessarily in detail where, how much and on what course, but just share why and what you plan to do with them.

Yes, you know, it's the 90s, when many people had these dollars, at least the inhabitants of large, large cities.

However, not everyone had it, and most likely it was in Moscow, St. Petersburg, and so on, because I asked my relatives, including those from Ufa.

They say that it was far from everyone, well, not that there was an opportunity, but just many people did not understand why it was necessary to do it and everything like that.

Now, for sure, there is also such a story that, for example, we are being told that we are buying dollars, euros too.

And there are already a lot of comments, yes.

The truth is, Taylor writes, we do not have new dollars in our banks.

Well, yes, there is also a problem with this.

As far as I understand, sorry, please, old dollars are not accepted only in a number of countries, not all banknotes, well, in general, this is not just a disaster, but in any case, from what I read.

Probably, yes.

To be honest, I don't understand how to distinguish these dollars at all.

Well, there are old coupons, they are different on the outside, and there was information, it seems, that in Turkey they stopped accepting old, it seems, 100-dollar coupons.

When I went to the exchange, also there a few months ago, there were отдельно подчеркивали, вот если вы хотите новые доллары, то курс немножечко другой, или там вам нужно записаться заранее, чтобы получить новые доллары, потому что у нас остались только старые.

Wow.

And if online, can you buy online, as far as I know, yes, answering the question, yes, but at the same time, you can't withdraw these dollars, as far as I understand.

But if you have a foreign card, then you can buy online and leave it on this foreign card.

Foreign, yes.

There are problems with Russians, indeed.

You give a dollar for 64 kopecks, Tanya Larina writes.

But yes, it would probably be good for Tanya Larina and for us as a whole, but at the same time...

You understand that the same foreign trade will be just a crash, because Russia and various companies begin to earn it much less than with another exchange rate.

Please vote whether you buy the dollar.

Now we have already received several hundred votes.

You know, there is actually another story with pensions, if we continue the economy.

With pensions and history, they were offered to expropriate them.

That's how it came to this, to such radicalism, as our colleagues from the ECHO building write.

The host of a round-the-clock TV channel, which the authorities replaced by the Euronews broadcast, called for similar methods to fight for the increase in birth rates.

Mardan, I don't remember his name, Liza, remind me if you're watching.

No.

Well, okay, that's even good.

In general, Mardan from Siloviev Live said, let's cancel the damn mother of retirement.

Here, I gave birth to myself, raised children, so it will be for you that in old age there is.

No, this quote, you will die.

I don't want to say anything, honestly.

And here there is nothing to say, this is really so.

Familiar rhetoric.

Well, you know, to be honest, it's just some kind of superstition.

I once watched one of the episodes of Solovyov Live at work, or whatever it was called.

It's impossible to watch.

You know, there's a story.

I also studied in Moscow, at the second university, and often came to the sessions.

And for some time I lived in a dormitory, where there were not only students, but also all people.

And one person lived with me in my room.

At that age, he listened to Solovyov every evening.

Every evening.

And you know, I fell asleep under Solovyov, I remember those times.

And, to be honest, now, when I hear even similar notes, I start to feel a little nauseous.

Not only because it's already eaten up, but just because there's such a rhetoric there, you'll die.

You just told me about it.

I imagined it a little bit.

I already felt bad.

I felt bad when I started reading this quote.

I don't know, I think it's better not to touch some things and not to get close.

Don't touch it with your hands.

There is some dead dirty bird.

Don't touch it with your hands.

It can be contagious.

Don't touch it.

Just don't touch it.

Take it away carefully so that it doesn't harm anyone and doesn't interfere.

And that's it, you don't need to interact with it anymore.

You don't need to interact with this person who calls on pensioners to rest if they haven't given birth to a bunch of children and are ready to provide for them.

You don't need to touch it with your hands.

That's it.

Well, our deputies touched, and touched like this.

Astanina, a deputy of the State Duma, said that in the federal broadcast, the Overtone window opens on the verge of direct propaganda of genocide, she says.

Mordans, in quotation marks, offer the majority of the population of Russia, and the current generation of everyone who is 30-40, with all desire, will not be able to become multi-colored, die.

I consider this a challenge to both the people of Russia and the President.

The deputy of the State Duma, Bessarab, said that this is simply an unacceptable statement, in no case can the pension for the elderly be canceled, and so on.

But this is a painful topic, they understand why they were so excited after these words of Mardan, because this is a painful topic.

We all remember how the increase in retirement age turned out, well, looking at nothing special now, but then we remember that this caused protests.

You know, Lisa, if you don't mind, let's compare.

I have such an experience, we are all about our own today.

The day before, I went to a Russian store in Germany and I saved a check.

You know what I was surprised by?

Some positions, that is, I went there, photographed, for me this is a novelty, I didn't go to Russian stores so often before, more precisely, I didn't go at all, I just started recently.

And I send my relatives to Russia and say, look, here is Maheev's mayonnaise, it costs so much.

And they say to me, damn, it's more expensive for us.

How much does Macheev's mayonnaise cost in Germany?

Let's see.

So, I'll try to find it now.

Here is Macheev's, Macheev's mayonnaise, 1.79 euros.

That is, if we take a course.

Even if you take only 179 rubles, please write how it is there.

I also realized that prices in Moscow somehow jumped completely above some kind of psychological barrier, which for me was still plus or minus normal.

And every trip to the store is already turning into stress, because if earlier...

I didn't think much about how much the products cost, so now I just can't help but think about it.

They have reached some kind of too high ceiling.

The most terrible thing, of course, is that this is not the ceiling.

I'm afraid to imagine how people live, who have much lower incomes, who, for example, only have a pension.

What do they actually buy these products for?

As far as I understand, Alexey Venediktov is already in touch with us.

Let's talk about it closer to our economic topic, and now we will show the flag.

Alexey Venediktov, journalist.

Alexey Alexeevich is with us.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Good morning, Liza.

Good morning, Aydar.

What do we have left from the Trump-Putin negotiations, from all this that is happening on the negotiating track?

There are no leftovers, because we are right in the middle of the process.

How can we say that we have leftovers?

As a result, when the negotiations are over, something will work out or nothing will work out.

We have a movement, we have very important two statements.

First, the Vice President of the United States, Vance, and then, in fact, Trump himself.

Well, it won't work out.

We wash our hands and leave the negotiations, we figure it out ourselves.

This is, perhaps, such a clearly stated innovation, threat.

Well, you are there yourself, we no longer have the strength to chase you.

and put you on the negotiating table.

But all this is still a warm-up, because we don't know what the negotiations are going on on the tracks, what Putin and Trump talked about for two hours, what Zelenskyy talked about with Trump later.

which Trump talked about with Merz, this is all kind of weaving and knitting.

Well, in general, it is not negative yet, because the negotiations are not broken.

Moreover, we see an unexpected inclusion of the Vatican in this story, I mean as a platform for negotiations, the proposal of the new elected father, which, as I understand it, the Americans supported.

As far as I understand.

So far, this is a platform, not a topic.

Even on the moon, or even if Musk gives them a rocket, they sit on Mars and talk.

It would be a good idea.

No, it doesn't depend on the result.

The result is that the Americans are really threatening to leave the Russian-Ukrainian track, which is certainly in the hands of Russia.

And Ukraine continues to receive both money and weapons, which were discussed.

So we are not doing anything.

But we will leave.

And this is, perhaps, a new, so-called, threat.

Guys, hurry up, it's enough, it's enough.

And the threat to whom?

To Ukraine?

To Ukraine and to Russia, because Trump understands that Putin needs the USA not only for negotiations, but for bilateral relations.

First of all, this is an attempt to facilitate or remove part of the sanctions.

And this is participation in many trade processes, not only trade.

This is an alliance in the Middle East.

What does Trump need?

For Russia to remain neutral in Chinese contradictions.

Putin also understands what he is trading.

He is trading Russia's neutrality in American-Chinese contradictions.

Therefore, it seems to be a mutually beneficial story, but since it is necessary first for this wound to be bandaged and the ointment applied,

Not in the opposite direction.

The administration of Trump is quite rude and does this.

You said that Russia benefits Putin if the United States stops doing the negotiation process.

Look, if we take separately, if they leave, let's weigh the benefits and losses.

The withdrawal of the United States from the negotiation process is beneficial for Russia, because, first of all, the only one who can force Putin to adopt some conditions of Ukraine is the United States.

This means that the pressure is removed.

Secondly, they will then not put pressure on their new sanctions.

And thirdly, it opens up the opportunity for Russia to negotiate with the US,

And the United States becomes like Brazil, with which you can trade, and so on.

And in a sense, this is, of course, beneficial to Putin, of course.

Therefore, in fact, he drags on and plays in these negotiations, not going to stop at all, if there is no ultimatum from Trump.

is not going to stop military action at all.

About Trump's ultimatum.

Yes, yes.

It's probably easier to pressure Trump on Ukraine and the European Union.

Why haven't we seen even a little pressure on Russia so far?

Donald Trump still continues to speak quite neutrally about Vladimir Putin.

But if you don't see it, you need to change the ophthalmologist.

Maybe you have something wrong with the diopters.

First of all, we don't know, I repeat, what the two-hour conversation was about and what the conversation is about.

This is the first and most important thing.

Secondly, let me remind you once again, the supply of weapons continues, and Trump threatens to increase them.

This is secondly.

Putin also counts, he is also a counting machine.

And thirdly, these historical sanctions.

India has already been scared, by the way, to accept these tankers.

India has already been scared, has already refused under the pressure of Trump, and therefore they will float, as I understand it, in Malaysia.

In Malaysia, it was not for nothing that the Prime Minister of Malaysia was here.

Therefore, in fact, the pressure is not Trump coming to Kiev and putting the Patriot system on Russian missiles.

The political pressure is different.

Different.

Not in public rhetoric, but in action.

Rhetorics also play a role.

This is the designation of some borders.

But I repeat, the weapon is coming, and Rubio explains, he says, we were ready to give the patriots, but we don't have patriots.

Yes, the system is just free.

And those countries that could put it, and we are not against it, they also do not give it away.

That is, apparently there were negotiations with countries so that the Patriot in Ukraine, which it asks, would be put there by other holders.

They don't want to, they don't put it, they also need protection.

But apparently there were negotiations with the American administration to put it in Ukraine.

No, they don't.

Mark Rubio also said that the problem of resolving the conflict is that Russia wants what it does not have now and what it has no right to, and Ukraine wants what it cannot return by military means.

This is the essence of the problem.

How can this be translated?

Liza, you yourself said it a long time ago.

Mark Rubio is climbing mountains before you.

Everyone saw it.

But really, what did he say new?

speaking in Congress or in the Senate, he formulated what everyone knew.

Well, he formulated.

And what?

What did we learn about it?

We learned nothing about it.

In fact, by and large, at the same time, on the outskirts of the road, on the outskirts of all these conflicts, some curious processes take place.

For example, in Budapest, at the same time, there was such an informal summit of the organization of Turkish...

I will remind you that I imagine that this military history with Ukraine will end like in Cyprus.

50 years ago we had a divided country.

the recognition of northern Cyprus by Turkey, by no one else, and, in fact, Cyprus, which is Cyprus.

So, at this congress, at this informal summit, who came?

In addition to Erdogan, all our friends came, Aliyev, not only Aliyev, but Takaev came, the leaders of Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan came,

And they discussed the inclusion, not the recognition of Northern Cyprus, but the inclusion of a part of Northern Cyprus into the organization of the Turkic states, without recognition.

There are such disintegration processes.

Erdogan builds this line in Budapest, in Hungary.

And this is a serious story that took place there, which is not very visible behind these noisy negotiations, waving hands.

And this is such a move that should legitimize the section of Cyprus.

So far, the Turks have not been able to legitimize themselves, and here you can already see the status of the observer.

unrecognized state.

Therefore, I just look at what options are possible for Ukraine in the future, and this is one of the options.

Well, before that, how did you get to the moon on foot?

Well, nothing.

Nobody is in a hurry.

First of all, both sides are always in exchange.

I don't know how it is.

When there is an exchange of prisoners of war, according to the rules, the parties provide lists.

I want these ones, so that they return these ones to me.

Not the lists that exist, but those that I want.

These people begin to be searched for in the camps.

You took a colonel of such and such five years ago.

You took a prisoner of such and such a person.

And where is he?

Who the hell knows where he is?

And then there is a DNA test to see if it's the same person or not.

We don't want women, we want only Azov people.

They say Ukrainians.

And we want, first of all, conscripts, for example.

For example, I don't know about this exchange.

Let's get the conscripts who got arrested in the Kursk region, let's get them out of the lists first.

The lists are being checked.

And this is quite long.

For a thousand people, this is a long story.

I think it's a week.

It should take two weeks, three weeks, if that's all.

Sometimes one person is lost, and the whole list hangs.

And they say, we will not accept this.

And all this goes up, it goes according to bureaucratic systems, not only SBU and FSB, not only law enforcement, but also political, because when exchanging, a certain political component is very important.

Here we have returned all the conscripts, or here we have returned all the Adopts.

Therefore, this is a job.

This is such a job.

Then the movement of these people.

I remember how the plane was shot down accidentally with Ukrainian prisoners.

Actually, the Ukrainians were shot down.

No one doubts it, no one refutes it.

This means that now it is necessary to prepare logistics in advance so that, God forbid, they do not confuse and still do not land somewhere, some kind of rocket from some side.

Then these things are done by the United Arab Emirates.

which arrange exchange points mainly through Belarus.

I don't know how it will be this time.

It's an international story.

No matter what they say about Belarus, it's an international story, a neutral border.

Also, in these exchanges, for example, there are questions from both sides.

For example, territorial defense and participation in territorial defense of these prisoners of war

But, let's say, the heads of temporary administrations, who are then in captivity of one or another city, is it military captivity or some other quality?

To include or not to include?

There are discussions among professionals, I mean, among the security forces, on this topic.

If they cannot agree, then everything rises to the level of, I don't know, the head of the office, the administration, the president.

It's not clear how.

Do we count or do we not count?

That is, it's work.

I'm just telling you that it's work.

And it requires time, strength, and good will, because you can get stuck and say, no, we won't give these away, because they are convicted there.

For example, people convicted by the courts, prisoners of war.

There are Azov people who are convicted by Russian courts for terrorism, for this, for that, for this, for that.

There are also prisoners of war Russians who are suspected

that they were involved in military crimes.

Do they include them or not?

Here's another story for you, please.

So let's not envy those who are engaged in this.

I think that since it was announced at a very high level, and since it was announced at an international level, again, Trump, Erdogan, the Emirates, then the exchange will just happen one-on-one.

Yes, well, this is a thousand-by-thousand, this is the story of Istanbul, the meeting in Istanbul, the result, but 9 by 9, this is just, by the way, about the dry remainder of the negotiations between Trump and Putin on the telephone, here is the result, there is something known.

This is not the result yet.

Look, the Americans always need this.

I'm not going to talk about this exchange, because it's wrong.

What can we say about the matrix?

The Americans only need the Americans.

They don't need Russian political prisoners.

They need American citizens.

When you deal with Americans, they only need, as a rule, let's say, even with Biden it was like that.

And their offer at first for a big exchange, not at first even, but in less than a year, it was three Americans plus Volodya Karamurza, whose wife is an American citizen.

This was their offer.

And in October there was no Navalny, no Yashin, no Fadeev, no one.

This is the first thing.

The Europeans, the Germans, when they exchanged their people in the same exchange, there were German citizens, three or four people, four Americans, four German citizens, and then they included political prisoners there.

at the beginning of Navalny, when Alexei Anatolievich was alive, and others.

Now, as I understand it, there are bilateral negotiations on exchange.

This means that the Americans demanded only American citizens, and in Russian prisons, American citizens, well, a double-digit number, absolutely obvious.

And there, for whatever, for drunkenness, for hooliganism, for rape, for police resistance, for drugs, for whatever.

But Trump needs to return the American citizen.

Here he is, I am like this.

What does Russia get for this?

It can get spies sitting in different prisons and cryptocurrencies, which are skillful hands.

We helped you, you help us too.

Therefore, I do not know the names and procedures of this exchange, but I imagine that these nine are mostly Americans.

Perhaps, in the context of the negotiation process, one of the Russian political prisoners, or a witness of Yegova, who is also a political prisoner, will be exchanged.

But I think that there will be only one person at all.

In relation to nine, maybe one or two.

Or maybe 0.

More likely 0.

Or maybe 1-2.

Well, 1-2 compared to 9 is quite a lot.

Well, how many political articles do we have?

920, right?

Well, 9 compared to 920 is not enough.

And not enough.

By the way, do we know anything about the Brazilian spy network, which seems to have been opened?

No, I think there will be a lot of fantasy here.

We need to look at the business.

Let me remind you that Russia has a very good relationship with Brazil.

And only two Brazilians are detained from this network.

But I'm there, well, yes.

But in general, there is a reconnaissance that must spy on all countries for their salaries.

I assume that Brazilian agents exist, as it may sound strange, in the Russian Federation, in the United States of America, in France, and so on.

Well, they got caught, yes, they hid, well, they got caught, yes.

So now there is also an exchange fund.

I think that some Brazilians are also sitting with us.

Yes, quite.

Alexey Alekseevich, returning to the negotiations, what is the role of Europe in this story?

Because we see different statements from Friedrich Merz and so on.

Look, you see for yourself what the role of Europe is.

Who is Europe?

For example, we know that this volunteer coalition, when it was formed, who was there?

We had the Prime Minister of Great Britain, the President of France, the Chancellor of the FRG and the Prime Minister of Poland.

And yesterday Poland said that it would not send troops to the coalition of those who want to go to Ukraine.

The question is solved.

This is a quote.

The question is solved.

To Ukraine.

To Ukraine.

As you wish.

That is, there are discussions going on.

There are discussions going on.

And today Europe can't do much.

It can support Ukraine.

It can speak with statements about Putin.

But it can't press like Trump.

It has no resources.

And there is no unity.

Because, for example, the prime minister of Italy, Meloni, said that we would not send soldiers.

And here, I'm in Great Britain, I'm still in London today, there is an internal discussion here, because now the first place of the questions is this Sovereign Party Reform led by Faradze, who won the local elections.

She is already ahead of the party, and the two main parties, the liberalists and the conservatives, and the liberal-democrats.

And they say no support for Ukraine.

Well, in the sense of military forces.

That is, there is an internal discussion.

And the government party is only 29%.

I mean, or Boris Starmann.

Therefore, Macron has the same story.

His support is 28% now within France.

Although Ukraine's support is more than half.

But he will have elections in two years, but they will still be here.

He now has a complicated law on euthanasia.

in which the deputies were confused as to what to do with the permit in Stanaz.

It's a very complicated law.

He's having debates about wearing chidry for girls up to 15 years in public places.

Not only chidry, but also handkerchiefs.

That is, there is a lot of things inside, in fact, in each country.

Well, Trump has his own, of course, Merz also has his own, as we know, the coalition is a coalition.

And now Merz is already commenting on his Minister of Defense, who allowed you to talk about 5% of GDP.

in the military budget.

It was not advised to me.

Therefore, Europe is democratic, but that is why it is multi-layered.

There is no... Well, there is a single declared position, now we will help, a package like this, a package like that, but I will give an example.

At first, when it came to the military reindustrialization of Europe, a proposal was made at the meeting of the heads of government, 800 billion euros.

а сейчас это скатилось до 150.

Денег негде взять.

Потом еще найдут, конечно, но денег негде взять.

Получается, у всех свои проблемы.

Да, да, да.

А Европа очень разная, понимаете?

Все-таки, когда есть авторитарный правитель, это, конечно, плохо, но, тем не менее, даже Трамп, который очень авторитарный,

He is forced to count with the Congress, and he recently visited the House of Representatives and paid respect to the Congress.

And he is forced to count with the Supreme Court, he is forced to count with the federative institution, where the states stop his decisions and accept them.

And in Europe, this is very bad.

They are bad or good.

Separation of authorities, different points of view, including on the Ukrainian track, on the Russian-Ukrainian track.

That is, if the United States really leaves these negotiations, from this story, then what will we get, in your opinion?

Who are we?

We are the observers.

Let's put it this way, this story, what will it lead to?

Europe will continue to supply, support Ukraine and supply some weapons, but we must admit that they do not have such a resource as the United States.

I would say that Ukraine's support will decrease materially,

Well, here's an example for you, not even material.

The ministers of finance, the seven, the seven great powers, meet yesterday, today, I don't remember, and they have to sign a communique.

The Americans steal from the communique the phrase, we continue to support Ukraine.

What does this mean?

That is, the communique cannot be accepted, it is accepted unanimously by G7.

The Americans say, no, this phrase, let's not do it.

Why not?

What support?

What kind of words?

We are increasing support, but we are not ready to increase support.

There are negotiations going on.

We are not increasing financial and military support.

And now there are debates going on there, in my opinion, today they should end, literally in hours.

But the Americans are standing, we will not write it in the communique.

This is the Minister of Finance.

Here's an example of what the US is like.

The chat asks if you can say something about the murder of Portnov in Spain.

I knew Andrei Portnov.

We were friends.

We were friends even before the Maidan.

It was with Yushchenko.

Andrei Portnov was a very active and very advanced communicator between different forces, different people.

And in 2014, after the Maidan, if I remember correctly, he left for Moscow.

We also met there, of course, we had an interview.

Because he was very well aware of the political system, how it works.

regardless of his views, how the government works in Kyiv.

He was an opponent of Zelensky, he remained, he was one of the brightest political opponents of Zelensky, he was at the time, well, not that he was Yanukovych's assistant, but his views on Ukraine, they were different.

And he was a public, and very dangerous, opponent of Zelensky, because he understood how the government works and what levers there are.

He was familiar with all Ukrainian oligarchs,

Zelensky's supporters, Zelensky's opponents, whoever you want.

He was a dangerous man in the sense of creating an anti-Zelensky coalition.

And he was a man, probably the word respected is not true.

Authoritative?

Yes, perhaps, Liza, this word best reflects the role.

He was listened to, he was competent.

There are such shady people, especially in Ukraine, during the Maidan period.

So, of course, this is Zelensky's opponent, who, if the presidential elections were announced, would become one of the integrators of Zelensky's opponent's candidacy.

You can't say who it is, Arestovich, Poroshenko, or someone else, Timoshenko, or someone else.

But he would definitely be an integrator and would work for this company.

Therefore, of course, we don't know who killed him.

The murder is demonstrative.

The murder in front of the school gates, in front of the teachers and children, when he took his two daughters right into the cars.

Two motorcyclists, five bullets.

Therefore, let's hope that the Spanish police, there are cameras everywhere, that the Spanish police will find something.

But this...

Objectively, this is the elimination of Zelensky's opponent, without a doubt.

A person who could have organized a presidential campaign, he was a lawyer, he was a lawyer, he won the trial.

He then left for immigration.

But speaking of motives, as if in this context it should be very unprofitable for Zelensky, such a demonstrative murder of an opponent.

I cannot speculate on...

These topics, yes, but it reminds me of, how to say, the murder of Anna Politkovskaya, when Putin said, I have no profit on her death.

You know, it can be, but it's such a speculation, there's nothing else.

There's nothing else, right?

And let the police work.

And you can push any version.

We have a version on the legal forum, the deputy minister of flight Sviridenko put out a version that if aliens fly in, if aliens land and harm Russia, they will be declared non-agents.

It was not a joke.

This version can be any, whether it lands or not.

But, of course, this is a serious story.

It hits one end on the baron, the other on the man.

It hits one end on the opponents of Zelensky, because they are deprived of such a skillful, I would say, constructor, and the other on the reputation of Zelensky, who is the first suspicion in that direction.

Naturally.

Well, this is already the second murder, at least known in recent times.

Was there a Russian helicopter?

No, all the same, Portnov is an internal Ukrainian story, and yes, all the same.

And the helicopter, I think...

The talk is about Spain, as far as I understand.

Yes, well, in Spain, I say, and if it was in Luxembourg, what would it have changed?

Well, no.

Well, yes, nothing.

Alexey Alekseevich, you had several questions about the memorandum that Vladimir Putin said after the negotiations.

What is this memorandum?

What does it write?

What role does it play?

Two documents, in fact.

Maybe there are more, but two main documents.

One document that must be developed is a document on the conditions of ceasefire.

I would call it technical.

Generals, FSB, SVR should work on it.

On the one hand, SBU, UGUR, on the other hand.

These are the delegations that were there.

This is a technical document.

That is, we deploy, we take artillery there, we take tanks there, we do this, we arrange monitoring.

This is one document, a dialogue.

And the memorandum should be guided by politicians.

What is the political purpose of it?

should lead to a ceasefire.

Because just a ceasefire, for some reason, for some reason, Putin doesn't want.

He doesn't want this document.

That is, roughly speaking, Zelensky wants this document, and Putin wants two documents, if we read the papers, right?

I am longer than parrots, as it is said, it is unknown.

This is about this.

In the memorandum, where it will be necessary to talk about the status of different territories.

For example, well, that is, some political things.

This is the very memorandum.

And there, in this memorandum, Russia can enter and leave from four regions, and Ukraine can enter and leave from these four regions itself.

And this position must be brought closer to the memorandum.

The memorandum is a political planning.

There should already work all the same higher people and on other posts.

There is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Yes, the administration of the president, the office of the president.

Well, these are political things.

What can't be entrusted to generals, I would say.

Here, a Kursk official, during Vladimir Putin's visit to the region, for the first time after the announcement of his release from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, offered to seize the Sumy region.

Well, it's clear that this is such a small official.

Well, he said so.

I, excuse me, read the stenogram.

They detained this stenogram.

I was already, to be honest, going there to call them and say, where is the stenogram?

Everyone quotes, no one saw.

Now you can see the diagram on the president.ru website.

If you put it in context, it's about the security corridor.

They complain to him that shelling continues and that it is necessary to postpone the border of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.

This is just an interruption, a ceasefire and interruption.

But there, indeed, one of the heads of the municipality says that we need to control the amounts for this.

We need to seize Sumy as a city.

Not the Sumy region, but Sumy.

And there, in general, is not far from the border of the Sun.

And Putin does not answer to this, in fact.

But the story of dismantling this security corridor is a story.

But it was raised earlier, in fact.

In the Kellogg plan, the 30-kilometer zone is 15 plus 15, to which Zelensky has already responded with a refusal.

But nevertheless, this, of course, should not be a memorandum.

Well, I mean, to ensure safety, to make it fly less.

There are no drones there, and drones do fly.

Well, some kind of artillery.

That's it.

So it was.

Yes, I'm just referring to something.

In your opinion, does Vladimir Putin stop at those areas that are included in the Russian Constitution or can he go further?

Because they have repeatedly said that they want to control these regions.

From the point of view of the stated goals, there are no further goals yet.

This does not mean that in the course of military actions, if they continue, if they do not agree, military actions continue.

will move there and there, roughly speaking, like a tank column.

Therefore, anything can happen.

Anything can happen.

But today, politically, Russia claims to have four regions plus Crimea.

Ukraine claims to take back these five regions.

Well, that's how it is today.

How do you think, how do you treat the strengthening of drone activity in Russia?

I mean, these flights of Ukrainian drones, which somehow calmed down during the previous months, and since May it's just some crowds, just a flock of drones.

The drone war is a separate conversation.

It's better to talk to specialists.

I mean the political context.

It hasn't been long.

There were very few.

Negotiations are going on.

Negotiations are going on.

Calls are going on.

And everyone wants to improve their position.

And now we can once again knock on the Senate.

In Moscow, yes, in the Kremlin.

And we can, and we will make your airport not fly, well, in the sense of aircraft, and we can reach Lvov.

Well, like this.

This story, it does not matter in terms of the offensive, it matters in terms of strengthening the position.

They demonstrate, by the way, Trump.

Oh, we still have muscles, go-go.

It's all clear, it was expected.

In my opinion, in general, it was even announced that this was to strengthen the position.

Well, that is, they are just making peace with their capabilities, with their pimples.

Yes, it demonstrates the possibility.

Well, yes, somehow everything is sad.

When was it fun for us, Aida?

Excuse me, three weeks ago no one talked about negotiations.

There was only an option to continue.

There was one option.

Well, both sides continue and so on and so on.

Now there is another option, a negotiation option.

It's just different.

The first one remains, but there is another one.

Therefore, it is not sad, in fact.

Let's hope so.

We will see.

We will see the truth.

Thank you very much.

Alexey Venediktov, journalist, was with us.

Thank you.

How much do you have there?

Yes, in my opinion, yes.

Yes, 1.79 euros, yes.

And I just, I think that many will agree with me, I noticed that over this year, plus or minus a year, prices have jumped, it seems to me, twice, because the check that you now receive in the store, buying some basic set of products, but for me, for example, even last summer,

It was a check for some kind of celebration of medium-sized companies at home, when you collect all sorts of ingredients for snacks, some alcohol, something for the main dish, and you get about the same thing that you often leave in the store just to buy food for two people in the near future.

Or internal tourism, which also rose in price much more than I expected.

There will probably be various experts here who will say that it was predictable.

For me it was somewhat unexpected, because I went to Kazan with my mother on the day, it was my gift to her on her birthday, so I bought tickets, booked a hotel.

And I didn't expect such prices from Kazan.

I'm sorry, of course, Kazan is a wonderful city, but such prices for hotels, such prices for tickets, I took a train back, because I realized that tickets for the plane are, well, like in Georgia, approximately, we flew here.

примерно такие же цены.

Это как-то сильно больше, чем я ожидала от перелета в полтора часа.

И так приблизительно во всем ты смотришь на любые цены.

На ремонт, на еду, на вещи, на что угодно.

И глаза постепенно расширяются до размеров блюдца, пока еще небольшого, наверняка еще есть куда расти, потому что они не собираются останавливаться, а зарплата не растет.

Не знаю, как у тебя, Aydar.

У меня зарплата не росла уже очень давно.

Я получаю столько же примерно, сколько и...

Three years ago, for example.

And I feel how this limit of my capabilities is shrinking, because prices have already increased by two times, maybe even more.

This conversation should have been with Alexey Alekseevich.

You know, we shouldn't have let him go, we should have left him here, right?

It would be like with the bear, Maidar.

Yes, salaries are high, this is great, very cool.

Oh yes, oh yes, this is true.

I am asked what is the volume of mayonnaise, really, I did not note, right?

There are three sizes, small, medium and large.

I bought the medium one, I don't remember how many grams, sorry.

Well, not big, big, it's a little more expensive, it costs two.

2 euros with something.

Well, really, you know, I just compared these prices in Germany for products and prices for products in my native Ufa, for example, and it often happens that here they are a little cheaper.

It's kind of dishonest, considering the salary level and all that quality.

Write down what you noticed, what, in your opinion, the most prices have risen, that is, what you began to spend more on.

As for tourism, by the way, you know, against the background of the fact that it is now, for example, very difficult to go to Barcelona, and it is easier there in Sochi, tourism has generally grown in Russia by 30 percent, almost the total number of hotels goes there.

But here, in fact, it seemed, firstly, the recovery of demand after the pandemic, the growth of domestic tourism,

various kinds of restrictions and so on, and in general, the level of life, as some experts say, does not grow, but now we will have an economist, we will talk about this, yes, against the background of the news about the dollar and so on.

There, wholesale and retail trade have not yet recovered to the dysfunctional level, that is, if you look at the figures,

If you look not at emotions, not at the opinion of individual people, but at the figures as a whole.

For example, in the field of health care, social services, stagnation is almost 6% in three years.

So, yes, the day before, by the way, we talked to Mikhail Krutikhin, an expert in the oil and gas industry, in the program «Personally important», discussed the Russian economy, tried to look at it.

on these very sanctions, there are 17 or 117 packages of the EU sanctions, on the possibility of the United States, for example, to pressure Russia and so on.

And somehow we came to the conclusion that these restrictions do not work at all.

Initially, they did not work much, that is, of course, they have an effect,

not such a result that they initially set for themselves in Brussels or Washington.

Listen, not such a result, but, excuse me, a strawberry for a thousand rubles is also some kind of result.

I was silent about the price of potatoes, it's just, I, okay, I will now just have a stream of complaints and complaints.

Here in the chat they write that in four years the Aeroflot to Gorno-Altaisk was three times more expensive.

I look at it all and just...

And just how, in general, how?

Okay, I'll say something bad now.

Let's start the flash before our next guest.

We will just at the beginning of the conversation with him summarize the results of the vote, which we already have all morning.

Vyacheslav Shireyev, Economic Observer.

We are connected.

Vyacheslav, good morning.

Good morning.

Hello, good morning.

Emotions are boiling about what is happening in the Russian economy with prices, let's put it this way.

That is, people are really complaining that prices have grown very much.

This is noticeable, very noticeable, and probably even to those people who have not looked at the price tags before.

And here, you know, generally strange trends.

Please explain, some kind of economic review.

What's going on?

A ruble costs us now, a dollar costs us less than 80 rubles.

It turned out that way, right?

Potatoes already cost several dollars per kilogram.

How does it come out?

Well, people are probably lying in general, they don't know the whole truth, because Rosstat sees a slowdown in inflation, and in general, everything is normalizing with inflation, so I don't know where people get these numbers from.

Everything is not true.

What kind of shops do they go to?

What do they buy?

Strawberry?

In the name of taste, probably, right?

Well, yes.

Because, well, what is it?

The Central Bank has told us to trust the inflation data.

To stop questioning the official inflation.

Because people are raising the so-called expected inflation.

This means that they are waiting for an even greater increase in prices.

And where does it come from?

Well, if seriously, then, of course, the reality and the economic...

let's say, the picture that the authorities are drawing, they are more and more diverging.

And indeed, the consumer basket that people use, it does not correspond at all to those indexes that Rostat considers.

If I explain it briefly, then probably so.

And the reason why the growth rate is happening is because we have really encountered a very serious

The food crisis, that is, in the sector of agriculture, the fall in production is very serious.

And the forecasts for the autumn are very bad.

Suppliers understand that there will be a shortage of a whole range of positions.

Prices are set in advance and looking for some options for import, because it's not so easy to find food on foreign markets.

And you can't find cheap food on foreign markets at all.

Accordingly, there are many places where there is still debt, many places where there is still, you yourself know perfectly well, all these difficulties related to the payment of transactions, all these costs, and it all goes down in a very difficult time, even with a relatively low rate of the dollar, I mean the ruble.

All the same, this all puts a very big burden on the price, of course, for the consumer.

And in the summer and autumn, we will experience, I think, a very serious growth in the sales segment.

At the same time, long-term use of goods may not grow, something may even become cheaper, quite possibly.

What, for example?

Excuse me, when was the last time we had something cheaper?

No, well, cars, let's say, the prices drop on cars, because they are not sold at all, well, when everything is stocked.

people, manufacturers, are ready to lower prices and suppliers to sell at least something.

But this is in the segment where, let's say, people should have a slightly different income level in order to buy long-term goods and something else that is not short-term, something that is needed every day.

Accordingly, this gap will increase.

What is consumed every day and needs to be eaten,

Every morning, eggs, milk and so on will be more and more expensive.

And the fact that it relates to non-food products, it is quite possible that it will stand still and sometimes even become cheaper.

And we will have some, I don't know, limit, because I have a feeling that in the last year, even in the last half of the year, prices have jumped much more than there were in any, probably, period of those that I remember.

Inflation does not slow down, price growth does not slow down, but somewhere there should be a ceiling.

I think there is only an acceleration ahead, because...

We understand perfectly well that in this budget situation, when the deficit increases, there are only two sources of its financing.

This is to occupy the domestic market or to print money.

Accordingly, one does not interfere with the other.

They often occupy the same printed money.

There are no ways to fill the budget, because it is impossible to raise taxes further.

The increase in taxes leads to a reduction in the tax base.

Businesses are just suffocating.

And who to collect from?

Well, you can collect from the NDS by raising it, but then the prices will jump even more.

Therefore, no, there is no delay, we can only talk about the fact that this food or FMCG inflation can accelerate.

what people consume every day, starting from napkins, washing powder to food.

Well, not food, but, for example, prices for various construction materials, furniture, everything you need for repairs.

I also observe how much it has grown in the last, for example, two years, approximately twice.

Yes, yes, yes.

This is not what is used every day.

But now there will be a slowdown in these positions, because construction is falling, construction materials that are necessary, they are generally in warehouses, few people buy them.

Accordingly, at some point it can all slow down, precisely in this category of goods, construction materials.

But everything else, what people consume every day, will accelerate growth.

We had a vote here, let's summarize and talk a little about the dollar.

We asked our listeners if they buy dollars.

69% do not buy, but as much as 31% buy them.

Is there any sense in this now?

What to expect next from the ruble rate and from the dollar rate?

Well, now the main support of the ruble is carry trade, which is called in Russian when you can get more returns on the domestic market than returns, well, I mean bonds, including state bonds, than you can get while keeping capital abroad and investing in low-risk instruments.

That is, now the inflow of the currency is ensured, first of all,

Well, it's a game on the debt market.

But at the same time, it is important to understand that everything is not so good with the payment balance, it is shrinking, the export is falling, the import is at least not growing, but even remaining at the previous levels, according to the results of the first quarter, for example, the import has not changed, but the export has dropped significantly.

And this will mean that there is less currency in the country, and the combination of two factors, when the central bank begins to lower the rate,

most likely in June to make the first attempt, a weak one, to slightly lower the rate.

This will immediately cause a drop in interest in the debt market, because if your bonds on the horizon, well, several months, can be reduced by, conditionally, one and a half or two times the cost of bonds, that is, how much money you earn by buying Minfina bonds, then investors who want to invest in such a risky market as the Russian one,

to buy these bonds, even considering that the return on interest will remain higher.

There will be fewer and fewer of them, and, accordingly, the inflow, this surplus of currency that comes to buy these bonds, they are ruble, but in order to buy them, you need to first start the currency and sell it.

Therefore, these two factors, the payment balance and, accordingly, the budget policy, that is, how much

the state to have a course, what course should the Ministry of Finance have in order to at least reduce the deficit of the budget.

Now, well, out of all the gaps, out of all the governmental gaps, the number 110 sounds, that is, now, in order to balance the budget, you need 110 rubles per dollar.

And the Ministry of Finance, well, at the moment when the Central Bank begins to lower the rate, of course, will rush afterwards and will seek

all sorts of ways to devalue the ruble and fill the budget with cheap rubles.

Accordingly, if your budget is filled with cheap rubles, which are not much in relation to the dollar, then you understand what is happening at this moment with the prices.

They, of course, will receive an additional boost

growth.

Therefore, I will not say specifically whether to buy the dollar or not to buy it.

That is, all the time, the currency curtain is a protection against those shocks that are inevitable, both inflation shocks and

there are problems with deposits.

I read the news and am amazed at how banks began to actively use, for example, this law, which allowed them to block transfers even by themselves, under the suspicion that this is a fraud operation.

People complain that they cannot get their money, that is, when they close the account, for example, the client of Gazprombank, I read now on the site, tried to close the account, transfer money to another bank, and every time Gazprombank blocks it.

And she says, wait, is this my money or where did I take it?

Give me my money.

And there will be more and more such complaints.

That is, the Central Bank, understanding the inevitability

that people, having seen the reduction in deposit rates, having seen this inflow of inflation, which is inevitable, will run to withdraw money.

And what to do in this case?

It is necessary to slow down this process in all possible ways, at least.

And it is better to stop at all.

And so, all of a sudden, all sorts of amendments are adopted that banks have the right to suspend suspicious operations, even when translating from their account, where the name, surname and surname are written, to their account, where the same name, surname and surname are written.

Well, it's clear that this is not about fighting fraud, it's about these braking mechanisms.

Well, everything turns out to be logical.

When the ruble gets stronger, prices grow.

When the ruble weakens, prices also grow.

Yes, yes, this is Russia.

Vyacheslav, wait, and about these restrictions that you just mentioned, how will it work?

Let's imagine, relatively speaking, the deposit rate has dropped, people are going to take their money, will they block the transfers en masse?

Well, I didn't specifically collect the statistics of how many such applications there are.

There is a bank.ru website.

They wrote that the volumes of complaints about the bank's refusal to transfer money to themselves are growing very quickly.

Well, that is, in fact, to close the account and transfer it to another account.

For example, now many people are engaged in this.

Here the rate has become less interesting, they transfer it, relatively speaking, to another card, where the rate is more interesting, or some other operations.

This is a specific case.

A woman wrote that she had already reduced the transfer to 10 rubles at some point, and the bank still did not conduct this transfer to its own card, explaining that this is a fraudulent operation.

But the problem is that the banks were told to follow this, and if the money is lost, that is, if the frauds

how to compensate these losses to the investors, to those clients who keep their savings.

And if they don't do it, there are fines and so on.

But in fact, it gives banks a great tool not to give money to their clients at all.

It is clear that you can come to the department on foot, try to withdraw this money and transfer it physically to another account.

But you know perfectly well that banks have a lot of excuses, such as, you need to order, this is too much, and so on.

What will happen and how will it be implemented?

Nobody can say, but it is important to understand that the state is creating more and more of these mechanisms for, well, not freezing, at least, but preventing the mass removal of its deposits, let's say.

Well, yes, listen, when you really have deposits of 20%, yes, something will probably happen there if the interest rate goes down, but it will not fall sharply, most likely, but gradually, and this will certainly not cause a large inflow of money at once.

Well, look, when the Bank of Russia starts the rate reduction cycle in general, let's say in June, it will decrease, well, I don't know, to one percentage point.

For banks, this will be a signal that it will be even lower.

And they don't take money for a month or two, they take it for three or six months.

And they understand that for these six months, the Central Bank's rate may drop, for example, to 15.

And why should they pay 20 minus 1 percent, which the Central Bank has reduced?

They will immediately give you

The rate, for example, is 18-19%.

And 3% is a very psychological, important mark.

This is already below 20, seriously below 20, for example.

And people, looking at inflation, at the growth of prices, how everything is growing, what they consume, they can say, no, no, no, this does not suit us at all.

And to predict, to build a model with which we know how much money people will run to withdraw, because a lot of money is in the enterprise, not only in individuals.

Many enterprises have generally stopped doing business, as you know.

Why produce something if you can just put your capital on a bank deposit, get an income of 22-21%, and this is higher than any income from the main activity.

No matter how hard you try, it's still cheaper for you to deposit money.

Therefore, how will enterprises behave?

How will private investors behave in a situation when deposits will no longer be as interesting as they are now?

And how quickly will banks lower their own rate for their clients?

What if they were 21 and now they will be 15?

Because they think that the Central Bank will lower the rate too quickly.

Yes, Vyacheslav, I just discovered what I had at hand there.

Here, for example, Sberbank.

And they offer, I look at the rates according to the months, according to the period of investment.

Look, up to 3 months, the first 2 months 17%, 19%, then 4 months of interest, 5 months of interest, 20%.

Right, the highest indicator, yes.

Then 6 months already 19%.

The year is also 19%.

That is, judging by this, we can say that banks are not waiting for a decrease in the near future.

No, no, look, look, look.

Here are the lowest rates on short deposits.

This is due to the fact that the banks are more concerned with the issuance of this deposit than they will have time to earn in 2 or 1 month.

Therefore, the rates at the shortest are always lower.

Accordingly, the average 6 months are closest to the reality from the point of view of the central bank policy and correspond to the bank's expenses for conducting all operations in order to take this deposit,

how to arrange it, then issue it, and so on.

There are still costs for banks in any organization.

But when the term is more than six months, a year and so on, then they already have a forecast in these deposits that the balance of the central bank will be greatly reduced.

Let's talk a little about pensions.

We discussed with our viewers and listeners briefly the speech of Solovyov Live, a person who said, let's give birth more, there will be no pensions, there will only be what you gave birth to.

If you didn't give birth, you will all die in terrible torment.

Of course, this is all disgusting and disgusting, but it seems to me that the problem should now be serious, pensions are decreasing.

faster than the population should have been, young, hard-working, and it is probably more difficult to pay pensions, to provide them in some way.

Is it possible to say that there should be some kind of pension reform in order to somehow balance this relationship?

Well, three years of war have shown that pension provision is just the reproduction of poverty in Russia, and it is already impossible to deny it.

No matter how much we talk about the need for pension reform in 2018, from the point of view that it is necessary to maintain a normal level of life for pensioners, so that people would go out later, respectively, they would invest more in their pension savings, the pension would be higher, and then it would not be, conditionally, 100 dollars per person per month, right?

Well, of course, all this turned out to be simply forgotten, all these fairy tales, they no longer work, and in reality, now pension insurance is

Well, survival, minimal survival, which does not allow people to feel somehow worthy, to live after a career, after a career, well, somehow decently.

Accordingly, how can the state act?

It can recognize this problem and say, yes, we are bad with pensions, well, pensioners get very little.

A new pension reform is needed for this, but it cannot be carried out, because it is no longer possible to increase the age further,

There were voices saying, you know how to raise your pension?

You just need to retire 10 years later.

Then everyone will have better pensions.

And that's it, there will be three times less pensioners left.

It will be possible to divide this money between them.

Great.

Those who will die before they reach retirement age.

Accordingly, the second option is to stimulate private pension programs, when a person buys himself a pension.

But we remember how they acted with all private pension savings in the 2010s, they were frozen several times, all these mandatory payments, and, accordingly, people were left without money, although they believed in the previous pension reform.

Accordingly, there is no way out.

The state's pension problem is simply an unresolvable situation, and they only have to say, you're to blame, you're to blame, you want to live on a pension, here's your option, either work to death, or...

Indeed, give birth, then your children will keep you.

And it's your own fault that you didn't give birth.

And here everything is related to the demographic catastrophe.

You know that Rostat in April stopped publishing details on birth and death, and there is just some kind of pit, it grows very bad.

According to the demographic situation, there will be failure after failure.

And in order to somehow take responsibility from yourself, the state will in every possible way accelerate these narratives about demographic politics, that you need to give birth more, then you will be in old age, provided for by your children, well, and also retire later.

Here are two options that the state can say in order to divert people's attention from dissatisfaction with the low, completely insignificant pension insurance.

Okay, Vyacheslav, let's move on to those sanctions, because the 17th package has just been introduced, and, to be honest, you can probably get rid of it.

At the same time, while Donald Trump, at least in my opinion, does not threaten Russia with sanctions, his supporters, like Lindsey Graham,

have come up with a bill that prescribes duties against those countries, some crazy duties of 500% against those who buy Russian oil.

Can this somehow at least play a role, some kind of pressure on Russia and so on?

Or have all the sanctions exhausted themselves and there are no more tools, no more pressure left in the West?

Well, there are, of course, very effective tools.

First of all, to force the main Russian partners who buy oil,

and gas, because some European countries also buy gas, so that they stop doing it.

This is really capable of shaking the entire economic system, not only the budget, but also the entire economy.

It depends very much on the financial flows that go through oil exports.

That is, they first get to oil companies, then to those who do something for oil companies, to people who are bound in one way or another.

to these companies, and then it all spreads through the economy, giving an effect everywhere, and people buy something in other sectors, and support other productions, and so on.

So, when this stream is shortened, well, this river turns into a stream, then, accordingly, it really causes, already in a situation when everything is already falling apart, it causes such a serious pain, which the system will no longer be able to

it will not be able to respond adequately to it, it will have to increase the rate even more, stop inflation, the banking system will prohibit pouring in a bunch of money, and this is despite the fact that inflation is so high, and so on.

Accordingly, 500% are prohibitive duties, well, that is, in fact, if Lindsey Graham and his team manage to drag this bill into the project, despite the fact that they have 80 people there, already 80 senators support him, recently there were 67, then 72, that is, some kind of record

the importance of this bill, the project, the support among senators, for example.

Recently, they approved an ambassador to France, and barely got 50 votes to approve an ambassador to France.

And sanctions against Putin are so unanimous, and you sit and look, it's actually some kind of double reality.

That is, either Putin and Trump have already decided everything, Trump is nodding,

And he says, listen, well, these guys from the draft law, I just asked them, but if anything, I'll call them all back.

I'll say, let's go back.

Or do they really act without, let's say, such a blessing from Trump?

And I think that most likely there is pressure here, and on Trump too.

Because we can see perfectly well that there are a number of draft laws that Trump is pushing and they are not approved.

Accordingly, there is no such feeling that Trump has full control over the Congress, that Trump actually does what he wants in the Congress.

And in this regard, it seems to me quite a real story that at some point these senators adopt this draft law, overcome Trump's threat, and then any trade with Russia, in part, those listed commodity positions, such as oil, gas, uranium, and so on,

it stops bringing money into the Russian economy and into the Russian treasury.

I take it quite seriously.

I would not think that this is some kind of distracting maneuver.

And what will happen at this moment with the markets and in general

politics is a very big question, because now all the relative stability of Putin is kept among the elites by the fact that he has now almost agreed with Trump.

Trump is ours, and now we will be friends with America.

In case America turns out to be such a mess, then, of course, all this consensus around Putin will collapse.

And why then Putin, if he delivers to Russia only the economy and to all the elites only one problem?

And it didn't work out with Trump, right?

He was on a cruise for a few months,

And Trump abandoned it.

In short, a very serious sanction.

500% for the countries that buy from Russia.

Listen, well, for example, take China and buy all the oil in general.

The consumption of China is quite high enough to buy all the oil that Russia sells.

China does not want Russian oil.

It reduces the purchase of Russian oil.

It replaces Malaysian oil.

Oil from Malaysia has now become a new trend in the Chinese market.

Why risk?

If you can buy from Malaysia, Kazakhstan, I don't know, from some other countries,

for the same money, but at the same time not to have any risks of secondary sanctions, well, this is a great alternative.

Accordingly, I am silent about the fact that this may be part of the political game of pressure on Putin, so that he does not play too much with Trump from China, just to show that everything is in our hands.

in our power, comrade Putin.

And there is no China.

It cannot, of course, store its money in large stocks.

It would be great to buy all the oil in the world.

And China has a lot of money from export revenues.

He pumped it somewhere and that's it.

And when oil is cheap, please buy it.

When oil is expensive, please consume it.

But we remember perfectly about the COVID times, when oil, remember, cost less than zero.

And why did it cost less than zero?

Because oil must be stored correctly.

And oil storage tanks in the world are practically tankers.

In fact, they are tankers.

When tankers fill up with oil, they go to the sea and stand there on the anchor for months sometimes.

They just store oil.

But imagine how much a tanker's rent costs a day.

I think it's a lot.

Yes.

If we have finished talking about oil, I would like to talk briefly about nationalization, about privatization.

What is the topic?

Now the officials have talked again about the need for privatization for various companies, in order to have competitive management, in order to bring money into the budget.

Earlier, Alexander Shukhin said that there should be a big new privatization, but at the same time we constantly observe, on the contrary, nationalization.

What do our officials want in the end?

Well, they always want money under any circumstances, preferably from strangers.

Of course, in order to make a lot of privatization, you need a lot of nationalization.

Therefore, one thing does not contradict the other.

If they were selling shares, state shares of Gazprom, Rosneft, Sberbank, then we would say, well, yes, let's say they really want to solve some problems with increasing the efficiency of managing these companies, which absolutely, well, with the exception of Sberbank, maybe.

partly, are not effectively managed, and in losses, and constantly show some bad results.

Accordingly, they want, the authorities want to take something away first, then redistribute it.

But this is, of course, my favorite saying, there is little wool, there is a lot of wisdom.

None of this will work, because all the same, it is taken away by people who

Well, let's say, it is unlikely to be taken in order to break up later.

That is, all the assets that we see are now moving from hand to hand, they are controlled by close people.

You will understand that even if you are not the owner of an asset, you earn much more on it than your salary if you control the financial flows of this asset, of this plant or this company.

And in the Russian state, everything is arranged in such a way that the one sitting on the flow earns.

For example, there is a company that manufactures stools, but they earn money from companies that supply them with wood, supplies them with, I don't know, self-tapping screws.

And when your stool belongs to the state,

A person who makes stools, he puts on all companies that produce something for the production of this stool, his people, relatives, mother, mother-in-law, sister.

And suddenly it turns out that a tree for a stool costs twice as much as for a stool that is produced by a neighboring private company.

And self-tapping screws are three times more expensive.

And all this difference settles in the pockets

a controlling official, through his relatives, through his friends, if, yes, mostly, of course, in offshores and somewhere else.

This scheme, when nationalized, is very convenient for those who receive some assets, and they will then fight in every possible way to make sure that this asset is put up for sale again.

That is, the official receives control over the stolen, stolen from some private company entrepreneur, and he will sit down, he will explain in every possible way that this stool is very necessary to maintain the country's defense capabilities.

And in no case can this stool be privatized,

Because without it, all submarines will sink, for example.

Vyacheslav Shiraev, economic observer in the morning show on the YouTube channel Live Gwost.

Vyacheslav, thank you very much.

Thank you very much.

We will watch, as they say here.

Economics is such a thing, you know.

Sad.

Discussable, as we say with Masha.

Indeed, a lot of things are happening in the Russian economy, and in terms of sanctions, and inside too, yes.

And here the dollar is again below 80 rubles.

I read a lot of comments on different stories in the chat.

Continue to write them, it's interesting.

If there is time, we will also pay attention to them, be sure.

Oleg Kashin is connecting to us, many have been waiting for him here.

You know, we have such a crowd of viewers, so to speak, in a good sense, yes, who come on Thursdays, you can see it right there, yes, the time of Kashin is increasing, people there in the comments definitely appear, I also see them now, so Oleg Kashin, after the record, run.

Oleg Kashin, journalist with us.

Oleg, good morning.

Good morning.

Excited Oleg Kashin, yes, hello.

What are you worried about?

About the morning excited.

Well, about the morning excited, yes, but life is like that.

You have to drink less coffee, because a lot of coffee leads to shaking.

By the way, if only coffee, yes.

Oleg, will Russia be free, in your opinion, or not?

As it is sung in the song, Russia will be free, we are no longer brothers.

But I understand that you refer to the performance of Alexander Bastrykin at this legal event, which is not the first year, but the first time it is so...

but a nightmare in terms of distilled madness demonstrated by all its participants.

And Bastrykin, who, mocking, repeated this slogan, waving his fist, he also realizes that now Russia is not free and now it is good for him.

I would draw this conclusion from his speech on this account.

You know, about this forum, by the way, I found some other channel in your channel, it's called Cringe Times.

Yes, yes, yes.

Yes, I subscribed to this channel, because, to be honest, I read a summary, supposedly a summary from the forum, and in fact, as I understand it, it's fake, although I'm still not sure that it's fake.

There are terrible things written, but you know, it's as if you can believe them, because we've seen a lot on this forum in recent days.

What is it?

What is the celebration?

Well, the celebration, apparently, of their new sincerity is such, because also, when my audience laughs at some of these nice, at first glance, people, elderly, already falling into some kind of decay, like that same Alexander Bostrikin, I would advise not to forget the specific role of Bostrikin and the minister of justice Chuchenko, let's say, in the program in Chechnya on the torture of Nikita Zhuravel.

That is, just on the one hand, yes, look, look, what they are really direct and funny, that is, there are

Talks are going on about everything, about whether aliens can be considered agents, whether they were agents of the Decembrists.

By the way, Bastrykin also said, let's not go past this.

In fact, he leveled the Russian army in Mariupol with the German invaders when they besieged Leningrad.

That is, he said that after we entered Mariupol, I saw the same people there.

destruction, as in the blockade in Leningrad after the German shelling, respectively, and who, yes, who shelled, who led the city to such a state.

At the same time, well, yes, we understand that there is still such a stamp near-political Putin, a legist, yes, whatever he was there, I don't know, an authoritarian

leader on the brink of dictatorship, at least then, it is important for him that everything is according to the law.

But this is just a cynical, let's say, clinging to the law, when everything is true according to the law, although it is clear that the mockery probably led to this state, when the elite of Putin's jurisprudence eventually appears before us, that's right, you say, some heroes of the channel Cringe News, Cringe Times.

Oh, yes.

Well, by the way, regarding the legal aspects of this forum in general, here the assistant, the advisor of President Anton Kobyakov, or Kobyakov, I don't know how to pronounce it correctly, excuse me, at the final press conference of this forum said that during the collapse of the Soviet Union, a legal procedure was violated.

And this means that the Soviet Union still exists.

Well, yes, I also paid attention to the speech of this Anton, but nevertheless, it is worth not forgetting that he is not the first to talk about it.

There is a whole movement for the citizens of the USSR.

Of course, it is forbidden.

It is exactly the same, literally, Anton Kobyakov, who, accordingly, came to these conclusions, is also an important part of this system that puts these people at the mercy of extremism.

That is, not the first, in fact, time, yes, that, well, relatively speaking, when...

There, the deputies of Gorinov are imprisoned for calling the war a war.

At the same time, when you turn on the TV, there, Margarita Simonyan calls the war a war in the same way.

There is, apparently, some nuance, some inexplicable difference.

Here, the same thing.

Only authorized people can be the citizens of the USSR, and ordinary people who come to the same conclusions cannot be the citizens of the USSR.

In general, everything is logical.

It's like with prices that, regardless of the ruble rate or the dollar rate, grow, regardless of whether it goes down or goes up.

It seems to me that we can talk about the head of the Kursk region, who asked Vladimir Putin to somehow contribute to the expansion of the Kursk region.

The head of the district, yes.

Not Hinstein.

Oh, sorry, please, the head of the district.

Putin just sent himself to Hinstein and said that Hinstein always wants more.

So, as there was also a phrase, he was chosen by the governor of the Kursk region.

And who chose?

And I chose, yes, Vladimir Putin.

Well, too, in fact, I am watching the reaction of Z, let's say, commentators on Vladimir Putin's trip to the Kursk region.

In my opinion, maybe, of course, I give out what is desired for the real, but in my opinion, it is awkward for them that Vladimir Putin, in fact, for the second time in all this time, the first time he was somewhere far, far away, in Kursk itself, and now, accordingly, for the first time visited the region, which for more than half a year remained a zone of hostilities on the territory of the Russian Federation.

Well, accordingly, yes, heroic Putin came and what?

And praised Einstein.

Probably this is important news.

from the series that Pavel Zarubin shoots it on the phone and urgently publishes it.

You have not seen such Putin yet.

Again, another element of the madness of 2025.

Have you seen what Kinstein later wrote?

He says, by the way, my grandfather is from the Sumy region, so this land is not at all alien to me.

Well, it's clear, yes, it's good that it's not from Lvov, as they say, otherwise I would have had to...

But at the same time, yes, Lvov, I don't remember the name of someone, again, Z-poet, but there were good poems showing how the intonation changes, that, as it were, we, comrade, writes Z-poet, went with you to Lvov, and now we are sent to protect the Lygians, yes, in the Kursk region.

But here, probably, something like that, yes, in the end...

Speaking of victory, moreover, everyone quotes this statement of Trump, not publicly, that Putin is sure that he is winning.

Well, the great victory was driven out by the Ukrainians from the Kursk region.

I will also clarify, because, again, such a source reported that Trump believes that Putin has won.

Today, Wall Street Journal has a more detailed version of this quote.

Putin does not want to stop the war, because he thinks that he has won.

And, agree, here the intonation and the message change a little.

I thought you were serious about good poems by a Z-poet.

Z-poets, as they say, are so bad that they are good.

I think that if you talk about literature, that from this time there will be this set of poetry, which, accordingly, characterizes the era in the same way as insane speeches on the legal forum.

But do you buy the collection?

Wait, you buy it with us, and you too, and Liza, and me, it was sent to me for free in state services.

The first collection is Poetry of the Russian Summer, when else?

Ah, that one, yes, yes, yes.

There were no initial intonations, so it is free of charge, and, as they say, let's study, if it's appropriate.

And I thought they were advertising it, it seemed to me that it still had to be purchased.

No, no, it can be downloaded for free from the state service.

Maybe it's not possible, of course.

Somehow it's not patriotic, to be honest.

It would be possible to sell and send the collected money to help in the war.

Well, listen, as they say, the Russian Santa sells gifts to children.

Moreover, indeed, sometimes this happens, as we observe.

All these stories about a soup set from expired bones was given to a veteran on May 9.

Well, in that sense, yes.

Well, in general, yes, Oleg, you need to read Z-poetry, but you don't need all your gay novels like The Year in a Pioneer T-shirt.

Of course, of course, of course.

No one reads such a novel anymore.

Moreover, The Year in a Pioneer T-shirt is too odious, but if you know, now the lost work of

Edouard Limonov's Moscow-Maysk, which, in general, as an autobiographical work, just complements his classic Kharkov trilogy.

And people who have already seen the paper edition of this novel,

Pay attention to the fact that, for example, in the book about Pasolini, where gay lines are smeared, there is also something smeared here.

And since, with all due respect to Klimonov, thanks to the book «It's me, Edichka», his reputation is such that he could describe gay scenes,

I also thought that there were gay scenes, but it turned out to be more funny, that is, there is some person, the hero of this work is an Estonian, Limonov, well, the lyrical hero looks at him, thinks how he looks like a Nazi and kind of experiences charm, that is, here it turns out that the rehabilitation of Nazism is just smeared.

Wow.

About literature, by the way, yes, you can talk about the cases against book publishers, booksellers.

Is this also a reflection of some era, like these Z-poems, the fact that claims are being made to books now?

You know, I just don't know if you remember, at the beginning of the war there was a fairly common expectation that even those people who today, following the official rules,

narrative, literally go to the front, we will now defeat the Ukrainian Nazis, sooner or later we will see, yes, well, in fact, what we see in many ways now, yes, and disappointment, and now we are waiting for a Russian remark, yes, which will write about the lost generation who did not fight in vain, yes, and there is such a feeling that in order for this Russian remark not to come out of the trenches,

somewhere there, again, in the Sumy region, and, accordingly, in our eyes, literature is under control.

And these criminal cases against, in fact, the main giant of our publishing house, Exmo, one of the largest publishers in the world, were also parallel attacks on significant bookstores, Falunster in Moscow and signed publications in St. Petersburg.

Signed publications were fined 800,000 rubles.

Yes, it seems to be a trifle, but the main thing is the principle itself.

Next time, the administration of the store will already think about which books to put on the showcase.

And the caution that follows from everything is as sticky as fear.

You were scared once, and then you already understand everything, probably.

And even the re-establishment of the Union of Writers with Medinsky is also, it seems to me, an element of this process, when on the one hand there are repressive mechanisms,

probably by means of bribery, Russian and modern Russian literature is also built up as some kind of division of the corporate state, let's call it that.

Regarding what books to put on the shelves, I remember the Berlin fair, where your books were, but you didn't have any.

So, yes, it's both ways.

Let me remind you, at the book fair, I saw a Russian-speaking bookseller from Boston, I think, or Chicago, Boston.

And he just said that, first of all, he has a very successful contract for the delivery of Russian books to the American library,

And secondly, it is also interesting that American librarians ask about Z-literature and Z-poetry most often.

That is, relatively speaking, Dmitry Bykov is predictable, but Anna Dolgareva is really exotic, which can really be placed, I don't know where, in the department of totalitarian literature.

Therefore, there are good people who already earn on Z-poetry.

So you and I, as account owners at state services, can just send it to the Americans?

Of course, of course.

And print a pirated copy, why not, in the end.

Oh, yes.

Yes, self-published.

And how do you expect there to be, in the fall, when we have the new law in force, a complete ban on the sale of foreign books?

Well, yes, in fact, we are also waiting for autumn.

The previous iteration of this pressure was in March, when agents were forbidden to sell content.

I have been experiencing this turbulence with my paid channel in Telegram so far.

But it's just that, in fact, it's clear, there is some kind of eternal struggle of the state with people who don't like it, but just the level, how much in billions, or in millions, or in hundreds of thousands, or in thousands, or in hundreds...

Thank you very much.

Although, again, Putin is a legist, so he has everything by law, new legal norms to literally spoil the life of someone living in London, Oleg, or in America, Bykov.

It's not laziness, it's not laziness, it's such a circumstance.

Well, how is it not laziness?

This is a list of enemies, in fact, the only fully existing list of enemies of the state.

... ... ... ...

Well, yes, of course, but at the same time, I will share with you, and at the same time, we remember how in the pre-war, in the vegetarian years, the first non-agents appeared, the first in person, I remember Lev Ponomaryov, well, in fact, first of all, a respected dissident, a human rights defender, secondly, yes, of course, a person very integrated into the world, this environment, some funds, everything in the world, but he was recognized as a non-agent, nothing changes in his life, and we congratulate you,

Dear Lev Ponomarev, congratulations on the fact that another person has become an agent, they also appear in social networks every time, every Friday.

This is an order, this is a confession.

But I will share with you literally yesterday's case from personal practice, already in 2025, when you can already congratulate with an agency, but it is already clear that congratulations are such, with tears in your eyes.

I was written yesterday by a certain lawyer from the regions, let's say, from the Caucasus.

So-and-so, here we have a trouble, such a clearly fabricated criminal case, a man under protection, arrested for nothing, for nothing, there are violations, look, here are the materials, please, give me a voice, I am listing these materials, really, my hair is getting up, nightmare, nightmare.

And I say, yes, yes, of course, I will definitely write about it or say it on the air.

The lawyer says, yes, yes, thank you.

And then he comes back in a couple of minutes and says, oh, sorry, I googled you here, and you are a foreign agent.

Please, don't write anything about us, don't say anything, you will only make it worse.

Again, this is some new style, I don't know how to call it, but something is going on in the air.

In fact, even if it's about calling for help or not, I don't know, a fire, they kill, help, help.

If a person is in Russia, he already has problems, then if foreign agents come to help him from abroad, of course, he will only get worse.

But in any case, if there are no direct consequences, the expectation is the same.

Well, they used to say, yes, abroad will help us.

And just the opposite, there is an international resonance.

He helped, saved.

But it was a long time ago.

Yes, well, again, we say that now, as in Savka, yes, I read it in detail, and also, as it were, if in prison, in the Perm colony, some political prisoner is sitting, about whom they speak by voices, it means that he, first of all, is used by all public respect and honor, and, secondly, everyone is afraid of him, because the hair of his head will fall there, and, again, they will shoot at the BBC, so...

And now, on the contrary, if they are cut off from the BBC, then this is a reason to send them somewhere else.

Therefore, in terms of the competition with the Soviet Union, Putin's Russia is already ahead of it in many ways.

The experience of previous generations is gone.

Of course, there is a feeling that just the generation of Putin-Bostrykin, Patrushev, is in many ways traumatized, of course, by the collapse of the Soviet Union and the reconstruction.

And just the desire to return everything as it was and avoid mistakes, it affects them in many ways, even in some little things.

Even to the question...

already mentioned Medinsky, I remember when his history textbook came out, I read it and, waiting for some, I don't know, Stalinist blunders, which, of course, are there too, but the main thing that strikes some kind of set is, let's say, that the bulldozer exhibition in Moscow, it would seem, well, should children at all tell about it, not such a significant episode, but it is important for him to prove that the exhibition was illegal and, accordingly,

It was liquidated correctly.

Or Lysenko and genetics, the same thing, not so unambiguous.

Accordingly, Lysenko is well done in many ways.

That is, literally, a patch of Perestroika Ogonka is taken, and what was exposed there and presented as, after all,

As the right truth, it is important for these people to return to 1988 and prove that, again, the bulldozer exhibition was illegal.

Like Stalin.

Well, okay, let them write, it's good.

People will at least find out, children will find out what a bulldozer exhibition is and what was there at that time.

It's better than Trotskyism without Trotsky.

You know, in St. Petersburg, young people have also been imprisoned, so everything is coming back.

Well, yes, okay, if they just write, then okay, I will gladly read it myself.

And if they write, and it is accompanied by some kind of physical repressive pressure, it's a slightly different kalimba.

And about Stalin, I'll answer in a second, because it's...

It's necessary, again, a war with fakes.

Yes, you probably saw a photo of Stalin, a monument to Stalin, but to the extent of confusion similar to Dmitry Bykov's.

I hope everyone understands that this is a fake.

Stalin on Taganskaya, maybe he doesn't look like Stalin either, but the picture with Bykov, it's generally, I don't know, generated by artificial intelligence.

No, this is not a real monument to Stalin, so don't send it to his friends via WhatsApp, it's a fake-fake.

Who even thought about it before?

Maybe Dmitry Bykov himself, I don't know.

No, well, I'm sorry, of course, maybe my sense of humor is not appreciated in detail, but in my opinion it was funny when I saw the picture, it made me happy.

And these conversations about, look, Stalin is low-quality, bad Stalin was made, look, he stands crookedly, I don't know, the material is bad.

Yes, literally, this is how, indeed, commentators who are outraged, you refer, including, I think, to Elizaveta Likhacheva, who, on this line, decided not to refute this Stalin.

If anything, I just have a small introduction right away, not that I want to criticize Elizaveta Likhacheva for this, I absolutely do not support this wave of criticism in her favor for the fact that she speaks about the quality of Stalin, and not about Stalin himself, about the fact that he stands.

Yes, but nevertheless, in fact, such a conversation, yes, that, as it were, yes, really a large-scale figure, it means all this, well, as they say, maybe, in fact, I also agree with you that Elizaveta Lekhacheva, how good she is, she knows how to speak in the language that the conditional Bastrykin understands, literally how to talk to a dangerous madman.

Don't worry, it means, yes, as it were, everything is fine, just the problem is that Stalin is of poor quality.

Well, now I'm trying to make it sound accurate, but everyone remembers, yes, these poems of Brodsky with a parody of Andrei Voznesensky, yes, that the poet is very bravely speaking with the call to remove the emperor and on the next line with copper money, yes, remove the emperor.

Lenin with money.

This is also a conversation on this topic.

Well, how?

Look, just if you say, yes, Stalin is a executioner, Stalin will definitely come out, again, Z, patriots will say, well, a great victory is connected with the name of Stalin, aren't you ashamed?

At the same time, still, probably the most reassuring thing in this plot is the fact that

And the third, in my opinion, day, when people began to bring to this bas-relief quotes printed from Putin and Medvedev, which Stalin was once criticized in his past life.

As a result, the authorities were forced to put two policemen in front of Stalin.

I think it perfectly complements this sculpture.

Yes, absolutely, of course, because this is a real work of art, already such a full-fledged work of modern art.

But also, let's pay attention to the fact that the activist was detained by the quite loyal regime of the Movement of the Society of the Future, I don't remember her last name, but the movement of Roman Juneman, who also tried to bring something to this monument.

The Medvedevo portrait, in my opinion.

Oh, probably.

Oh my God, let's go with the Medvedevo portrait.

In fact, this is really very sharp and protestant.

You have to go with his quotes, not with his portrait.

Oleg, you know, I'll add something about Likhacheva.

I think it's necessary to read her text between the lines.

What's written there between the lines?

Because it's the same thing.

She notes that it's kind of...

The leadership of the Moscow metropolitan does not reconstruct anything else, you can go to the Revolution Square, in general, there is a lot of work, but for some reason it is Stalin who is being restored, and she is there...

Listen, and about the Revolution Square, yes, you reminded me, I also paid attention to her text, after all, she says, there, the dog was rubbed, so the rubbed dog, the fact that her nose shines,

This is already a feature of the metropolitan area.

And how do you want to bring back the original appearance of the dog, so that the nose does not shine?

This is also the memory of generations, people who rubbed this nose.

In my opinion, these noses are periodically changed, because they are wiped.

Wait, how can a full-fledged bronze sculpture change its nose?

I think it's easy.

No, I'm just not sure, but in my opinion, I read that these rubbed parts are periodically replaced because they are wiped too much.

Maybe I didn't check the information.

If this is true, then now you are destroying my, again, childhood illusion.

Now I'll google it.

Because I rubbed this nose, of course, and moreover, it seemed to me that it brings happiness.

But if, again,

Today we have the creative evening of Elizaveta Likhacheva, I would also remind her of the old one, which then also caused the excitement of Soviet people, a quote about the fact that Stalin is the same image as Mickey Mouse.

And just probably, I don't know if you remember this cartoon of Peter the Multiplicator, which will later become legendary,

Oskar Nosny, I think, his first work, which is dedicated to the century of Mickey Mouse, not a century, but how old was Mickey Mouse, 85, relatively speaking, when Mickey Mouse, without changing, dances, and next to him a child grows up, turns into an old man, dies, and so on, and here the same thing, generations change, and I think we all remember in childhood how there were disputes about Stalin, he did not disobey, and so on, and it seems to be

In 1956, it also seemed that the 20th Congress forever disavowed him.

Now there is a new wave.

Then our grandchildren will come, and the discussion will also begin.

Stalin was a cult, but he was also a personality.

This is also really such an image of pop culture, which is somehow really always with us.

Well, maybe that's the way it should be.

And utopia is to dream that Stalin in general, as a historical figure, was not.

God knows.

But, probably, this does not tell you the desire

because it is impossible to experience so much rejection from what is happening in the homeland.

I wonder what part of Stalin will be rubbed off?

I don't know, it's scary to imagine.

Well, what is characteristic of him?

Mustaches, probably, all the same.

Well, it's hard to rub it off there, because it's not bronze, so if you start rubbing it off, there will be a hole, so here, I hope, everything is not so romantic as with a dog.

Oleg, and here, apparently, people who violate moral values can be beaten.

Kill, kill, kill, kill.

This is the same Chuychenko, right?

This is Chuychenko, this is the Minister of Justice, he said about it.

Let me give an example.

He says, look,

According to the law, you have to make a remark to the person who came up and insulted your relative.

But what about the fact that he has already insulted and the case is done?

Or you can call the police.

It seems to me that any normal man should do what he should do in this situation.

He also gave an example of a father whose young daughter was raped, and so he killed this rapist.

And the father of the girl was sentenced to 8 or 10 years in prison.

You can think that he is hinting that he should not have been sentenced.

After all, he was guided by moral and moral values, I don't know.

Absolutely, yes.

And there is also about the Kursk region, which is also completely natural to kill Ukrainian soldiers who came to your area, even if you are not a military man yourself.

But in general, it is clear that the reference to the rape of a daughter is also the same standard.

We start with the fact that we urge, let's say, to return

death penalty for pedophiles, and then it turns out that both extremists and other agents are at risk of death.

And it is characteristic that this rhetoric itself, murder and crime in general, within the framework of protection of moral values, it is not only about saving a daughter or, moreover, protection

Kursk region from the occupiers.

This is a classic description of what Chuchenko said, the murder of honor, which, well, yes, often happens.

Here, the daughter began an intimate life before marriage, and how not to kill her for it, and how not to kill her boyfriend, because this is really a shame.

our family with the following traditional values, or even more so, the son of a gay person.

Of course, the son of a gay person, as part of the protection of values, which are designated in the Constitution in Russian, yes, the son of a gay person can also be killed.

Well, actually, to imagine such Sharia amendments to the Criminal Code, why not?

Moreover, now I sat down with you and saw, although I did not watch the video as it should be, but the speech of the Minister of Justice of the Taliban at the same St. Petersburg forum, which is characteristic, yes.

Yes, absolutely.

And while we are still nervously laughing at this account, but who can be sure that in a couple of years, at least in some regions, the fact that the murder of gays in Chechnya is still kind of shy, not publicly happening, only the Novaya Gazeta writes about it, and then, well, yes, such an article for gays is supposed to be hammered with stones, let's say, why not?

By the way, about Chechnya, yes, Lisa.

I wanted to say that for the most part of Russia there is still no murder of honor, but at the same time, a frequent practice is the persecution of relatives of people who the state considers its enemies.

Now they just write that the participants of the POSI RAI from Maria Alekhina and Olga Borisova, their relatives in Russia were searched.

Well, again, yes, a promising direction.

And in Belarus, as far as I understand, it is also a little ahead of us in this sense.

And the idea of confiscating property from relatives, just those who left abroad, is quite widespread.

Therefore, here, too, it should be taken into account that there is such a direction of pressure.

But, again, people are sitting and inventing, including, probably, competing with themselves from the past, because, relatively speaking, in the 70s,

In 1945, when Putin worked in the Leningrad KGB, there was no such thing.

After all, the dissident left, and his mother is sitting in Leningrad, and no one is sending her.

This is to get a noble Vladimir Putin.

On the contrary, it turns out, well, that is, probably, listen, it is interesting, yes, in general, he sits and thinks, am I noble, am I good or not?

Because there were some, again, political ideas.

Here Putin, okay, well, maybe politically he is kind of controversial, but the boyish logic is present in his activities.

And the further, the less boyish logic, compare him with...

I don't know who, the characters of the series The Word of the Boy.

The characters of the series are better.

Well, okay.

You know, here I remembered the publication of the novel Super by a journalist.

Have you read about Petr Kucherenko, the former Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education of Russia?

I read the novel, but I think I missed it.

What about Petr Kucherenko?

Well, first of all, he died some time ago, after the beginning of the war, but there is a dialogue here, when the novel is super for him, yes, this is a publicly available publication, otherwise I was scared, I thought maybe I was reading something wrong.

And Pyotr Kuchilenko said that, in general, save yourself and your family, leave, and you can't imagine the degree of our state's aggravation, in a year you will not recognize Russia at all.

— About the fact that in a year, as you said, in the context of the Taliban... — You know, we won't find out about it, of course, but we're looking at it through the lens of the foreign media, so to speak, and I'm actually afraid of this syndrome, when a living...

to prove to yourself that you left the right way.

And you do everything right, you filter out only these gloomy news about the Taliban.

And in Russia, the birds are singing, the sun is shining, deliveries are working quickly, and the Telegram channel Antiglyanets is having a party with the participation of Lyubov Uspenskaya.

This is actually, I do not mean to say that in fact, yes, in Russia, in Russia it is good and we are overpowering.

It's just a double-edged sword, when on the same road goes the one who tortured another political prisoner today, an employee of FSIN, and singer Lyubov Uspenskaya, happily singing her song.

This double-edged sword is probably typical of any dictatorship.

It will take a long time to knock down the table and cause disputes.

A glass is half full, or a glass is half empty.

A glass is filled with blood, of course.

Yes, by the way, about those on the road.

Here is a former deputy of Smolensk, who is now a participant in the war with Ukraine.

He also ran on the road, but not on the road, but on the dirt, behind the car of Adam Kadyrov.

What is this?

Oh, I missed this story.

I missed it too.

Wait, why did he run after this car?

Former deputy of the Smolensk City Council, a member of his own, Maxim Baranov, published a video on which he runs after the car of Adam Kadyrov.

According to a former official, he made a march-throw on Krapiv Beret.

This is what Sotovision writes, right?

I was lucky enough to talk to Adam Kadyrov again.

It was very nice to hear that he was watching my video stories.

Have you really seen this video?

The former deputy is running on a dirty road because of Adam Kadyrov's car.

Adam Kadyrov is driving at the moment.

By the way, he is still underage.

He drives the car and the deputy is behind him.

Let's clarify, because I didn't see it here, and Adam Kadyrov also handed over the scrap beret while driving, because there was a rather loud scandal before the war, precisely in this environment, there, the Russian Guard, the special forces, when, when the scrap beret was handed over, the fighters of the Chechnya Ministry of Internal Affairs, instead of running in the dirt, just drove on cars, and there was really a scandal, even before it was clarified through some sponsors,

of this organization, because it is such an analogue of the knight's order.

Yes, people in crape berets, they have the right to impose a veto on the attribution of the crape beret to someone else.

And I repeat, I will not be surprised that just this run for the car, Adam Kadyrov was in the car, who tomorrow will receive a crape beret as a symbol of the difference of the Russian Guard.

This week he received two medals, and I'm also starting to think that this is not the kind of

The storyline is that the crazy Chechen authorities reward their departure with all sorts of beautiful accessories, as if Kadyrov himself, the father, putting Adam Kadyrov as a person who receives undeserved rewards every day, somehow teases him and somehow educates him, because he is already, I think, even the most loyal.

people are confused about this.

And what does Adam himself feel?

And no one knows about it.

Let's also say freedom to Adam Kadyrov.

And, rather, since, yes, it sounds ambiguous, as if he is good, let's say freedom to Adam Kadyrov and Nikita Zhuravel already mentioned, because, of course,

In the biography of Adam Kadyrov, there is still a more significant fact that he beat Nikita Zhuravel, a political prisoner, on camera, and the fact that he receives medals, well, these are already such strokes to the portrait.

I'm sorry, I want to go somewhere, I don't know, I need to think.

There's nowhere to run, it's such a closed...

Yes, Aydar, you said, sorry, I interrupted.

No, I just wanted to pay attention to these photos that you see now.

This is a screenshot from this video, where the deputy is running after Adam Kadyrov.

And, by the way... Can I say in an emigrant way, oh, it's so strange, there's a steering wheel on the left, wow.

Oh, yes, you're from London, aren't you?

Exactly, exactly.

You're a little crooked there, I mean, suddenly.

We're doing everything right, you know, but, again, in other countries, unfortunately, it's controversial.

They criticized this deputy as a Z-blogger and said something like, well, this recording of the Chechens destroying the Russians with the participation of the Chechens is such, yes, it destroys the Russians, and in general, the underage Adam Kadyrov, and how, like a servant, the deputy runs after him, how is this possible?

Well, again, at this point, you can find many, yes, Russian figures of the Special Military Operation, who are also humiliated in front of Abtya Laudinov, also a landmark figure, yes, who, accordingly, is supposed to be loved in these circles, although, according to many criteria, he is no less of a cringe figure than Adam Kadyrov, yes, Abtya Aronovich Laudinov.

I don't like it at all.

Some of our conversations are not spiritual.

So let's have a spirit-raising talk.

A shaman at the inter-vision will represent Russia.

It's quite spirit-raising, I think.

Why do we need your Eurovision if we have our own competition?

What if they lose?

What if they lose?

I also thought about it.

I can't understand who?

Who will compete with the shaman?

Who should participate in this Eurovision and inter-vision?

There are probably some Abkhazian singers or some Venezuelan, and moreover, probably, what do we know about the Venezuelan Strad?

I assume that it is quite good, and if there will be an audience vote, it may well be that the people will vote for the conditional Venezuela, why not?

I wonder, can North Korean music also be called K-pop?

Probably, probably.

A dangerous path, Lisa.

No, I was just interested.

In fact, people who look into this abyss are sometimes enchanted by it, so you really need to be careful.

And North Korea in our lives has become like never before, just like in this everyday life, it turns out suddenly.

Such a close country.

Just now, Zakhar Prilepin walks with a North Korean badge and tells everyone how good it is there.

This is also such an element of tension.

Did he think, when he wrote the novel Sanka, that everything would end with him becoming a model for a totalitarian dictatorship?

After all, the novel was about freedom.

You know, I'm worried that representatives of Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and some other countries will come to Intervision and force them to download applications on their smartphones to follow them.

There is such a thing, yes, well, or like, again, let's go to Bastrykin's speech at the legal forum, they will be caught, yes, to send them to a special military operation.

Yes, probably, people from these countries also need to be careful with the Russian state, because it also looks like them.

About scouting, about applications, about surveillance.

Here, of course, many are afraid that surveillance of migrants through smartphones is the first step to follow everyone through smartphones.

Of course, these are very optimistic people.

They think that they still don't follow us through smartphones, but it will be possible to do this officially.

Well, again, who is watching, right?

Because Western special services are watching, and except for Shul, then remember this forgotten, but important story, when the publisher of Meduza, Galina Timchenko, was followed by just incomprehensible German or some special services through the spy program Pegasus installed on her phone.

And now, when the same Galina Timchenko is in Russia, announced on the search,

Accordingly, the question is where to give yourself to a person if both of them have such views on him that let's spy on you.

It's just like in your case with two lists.

You know, yes, usually, as I just remembered, usually when you talk about this, the standard answer is that there is Mikhail Svetov, and he is from Brazil.

Where to run?

To Brazil to run.

And now in Brazil nine people were caught by the accused espionage in favor of Russia.

That is, and there, it turns out, not everything is well.

There is a suspicion that, remember when the president Lula de Silva came to Moscow and was supposed to, according to rumors, meet with Putin, and Putin did not meet with him.

Maybe for this Lula is now arresting Putin.

the Russians, accusing them of espionage.

Damn it.

Do you think these nine people flew with him in a turbine?

Well, in a turbine, excuse me, Jews fly, so let's not generalize.

To be honest, I would be much less stressed, and in principle I am much less stressed by the possibility of monitoring some Western special services if I suddenly need them, because somehow, well,

I don't have any conflicts with Western states.

So far.

So far.

But it needs to be tried to start conflicts there and there.

But I wouldn't want to interact with Russian special services in any way.

Well, at the same time, there is also such a moment, yes, first of all, there is the West-West, I don't know where Aydar is sitting, yes, in Germany, and there is the West, a little more eastern, there is Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, where, accordingly, there are already landings, again, there is Professor Morozov, by the way, his last name, yes, in Estonia, the exile of the TV channel Dozhd, let's say, some other episodes showing that the Russian man and those special services

not very cool.

And if, yes, we even consider that the Estonian special services are soft-hearted, and the Russian ones are archipelago-gulag, then it is worth not forgetting that the main punishment for the Russian in the Baltic, in the same, not only in it, is the deportation to Russia.

That is,

Yes, well, professor, you probably mean not Morozov, but Desnitsky.

No, Desnitsky was simply fired, and there is some scientist sitting right from the Tartus University.

I'm not confusing him with our political scientist Morozov.

That's what I thought.

I thought you were making accounts with him, with Morozov.

Traditionally, traditionally, yes.

Oleg, well, here is your column, your column, which is dedicated to the fact that there are no anti-war voices.

I'm really ready to repeat, because in fact, if we include any commentator talking about war, I don't consider myself an exception, what will this commentator tell you?

That there is Trump, there are, I don't know, European leaders who are leading some kind of their own game.

Here, please, please, geopolitics, complex intrigue, and so on, and so on.

And it seems to me that such a movement of conversation, which is a little...

takes it away from the horrors of war, from daily deaths and so on, it is in many ways destructive.

That is, it just normalizes the war,

by taking it beyond this horror.

Moreover, a characteristic example.

Yesterday, a message from a photo from Vladimir Soloviev scared many people.

That the Russian troops crossed the border of the Dnepropetrovsk region.

Although symbolically, some kind of BTR breaks through the barbed wire.

But the very fact is that Russia does not claim the Dnepropetrovsk region even at the level of its own constitution.

Today, now I sat down, political scientist Markov writes that

It turned out that it was not just a mistake, yes, they really crossed the border, died, as it were, but, accordingly, designated their presence, as it were, again, an episode for that remark that was never born.

And to discuss that, yes, Gandhi came to Dundee, well, probably it's cool, but I repeat once again, it really creates a deficit of direct anti-war expression.

Where is it?

It is not there.

Why?

Well, maybe he's tired of it, because, I don't know, well, the argument is that, yes, of course, where do they come from, where do they come from, where do they come from, where do they come from, where do they come from, where do they come from, where do they come from, where do they come from,

goes to Putin, and so on, and so on.

I think it really hurts, because even if you understand how influential the public opinion is, nevertheless, when the authorities see that there is a clear anti-war consensus in the circles opposing it, they probably cannot ignore it.

And there is no consensus.

You will say, yes, to stop the war immediately, and you will be told, no, you suggest to capitulate Ukraine, or something else.

And the dispute begins, even in such indisputable, in my opinion, issues.

As if, sorry, Aydar, it's about this anti-war mood, it remains, of course, understandable, just to repeat it for more than three years becomes monotonous, and they begin, in addition to this, to say some practical things, well, as if, yes, we have already said many times that we are against the war, but now we are going to talk about how exactly we can stop this war, what needs to be done, what is permissible and what is not permissible.

Well, again, based on this, do the recipes of how to stop it sound?

That is, I will repeat once again, even a conversation that is already, in fact, not very even in progress, yes, to stop hostilities on the current line of contact, even this causes disputes, there will definitely be someone who will say no, it is necessary to fight further one way or another, therefore, and from the Russian, and from the Ukrainian side,

Поэтому как раз вот это что же произошло, размывание, в 22-м году все было очевидно, война плохо, как бы надо бы, а как-то куда-нибудь ее деть, да, остановить, а теперь нет, теперь да, вот справедливый мир, как говорили в начале года, теперь Путин говорит, что там главное не остановить войну, да, первопричину ее устранить, а что такое первопричина, ну вот в таком-то.

I remember the meetings in Berlin, where I was drawn by my journalistic interest, and you go to this big crowd.

I was at the first meeting, which was much bigger and without the Russian volunteer corpus, which was celebrated there on the second.

You go to this huge crowd, and people shout out slogans that you heard in Moscow at the events many years ago, and somehow, you know,

— Well, such a cute retro, no?

Cute retro, that is, as if really... — Cute retro, yes, nostalgia.

— Nostalgic event.

People really want to remember those times when they were younger, freer, and at home.

And the grass is greener.

We talked about the interviewee, and let's talk about the Eurovision too.

What kind of discrimination is this?

I was intrigued by the story with the Israeli singer.

I saw a lot of reasoning that the judges specifically lowered her ratings, but the audience vote showed that in fact she is all so wonderful and would have won if it were not for the evil conspiracy of the judges.

And it reminded me very much of what usually sounds from the federal Russian TV.

Zvuchalo, потом все времена, когда Россия выступала.

Ну да, звучало с российских федеральных каналов, что вот нас специально засудили, загнобили, русофобия, проклятые предатели, но люди, несмотря ни на что, нас любят.

Странно для меня это было?

Ну, наверное, да, но при этом все-таки действительно, когда там... Так вот, давайте откатимся немного назад про Евровидение.

Можете еще раз свой красивый монолог повторить?

Oh, of course, I've already forgotten, but I'll just say once again that, yes, ideally, it would be great if people reacted only to the text and music, without paying attention to the flag or political context.

We understand that there is no ideal.

And in addition to a fun and cringy Eurovision, there are also tragic news.

The current murder, today's murder in Washington, in my opinion, up to two.

Israeli diplomats when the killer shouted freedom to Palestine, too, because it can probably already cause disputes, and this can at least be considered an act of anti-Semitism, because he did not shout there death to the Jews, yes, he shouted only freedom to Palestine, the conversation is really like that, yes, one step aside and already from this fun cringe and interesting cases you go into pure tragedy, so

Here, it may really be necessary to re-learn how to cross this line, because I see that it is very blurred, both on the Russian-Ukrainian issue and on the Israeli-Palestinian one, whatever.

Yes, thank you very much, Oleg Kashin, journalist.

Thank you.

Yes, thank you, yes, I hope there will be no more interruptions there.

Yes, yes.

Bye, thank you.

I hope so, too.

See you.

Thank you very much, Oleg.

Goodbye.

We continue the morning turn.

Liza Anikina, Aida Rachmadiyev, together with you.

Yes, I started telling the story while we didn't have the Internet, while the broadcast was hanging.

The most interesting thing, everything was missed.

That I saw a good text, I absolutely don't remember whose, but probably someone of you also read it.

It's someone from such famous media figures about the claims to...

The judges who underestimated Israel are quite strange, because not only Israel faced the fact that the judges put little points, or did not put anything at all, but the audience then threw a bunch of their possible points.

This is a very important and interesting moment.

Yes, Israel was right, but not only Israel.

Well, I'll add for a minute, for me it was a shock to some, yes, Azerbaijan, the only one, Azerbaijan gave 12 points to Israel.

Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan.

That's it, yes.

This is so remarkable.

Well, yes, indeed, the results of the audience vote, as usual, turn a lot, and here, it seems to me, it is very symbolic, yes, that Israel got so many votes.

Estonia, it is clear that this is about the star of the scene and really such an unusual performance in the style of Little Big, by the way.

Well, okay, it's time for me to include our guest Kirill Rogov, the political scientist and director of the RE-Russia project.

Let's take a look at the record and go on air with him.

Kirill Rogov, political scientist, director of the ReRussia project, is on the line with us.

Kirill Yurievich, good morning.

Hello everyone.

Good morning.

Did Putin really beat Trump?

Such material under such a title came out on ReRussia.

Yes, of course, he beat him.

But he beat Trump because Trump had a weak spot.

And Putin played a role in this.

And Trump turned out to be a completely... Well, as a person...

He said that he would stop the war in one day.

Now he says, oh, I can't do anything.

He entrusted Putin, that is, the aggressor, to prepare a memorandum, and somehow they agreed on their own.

And why did you climb into a bottle?

Why did you organize a circus with horses for four months?

So, of course, Trump looks like an idiot, funny, a person who can't keep his word, a person who is weak in negotiations, who chases Putin like a boy.

All this, of course, is completely shameful.

Are you making such conclusions too early?

Nothing is finished yet.

Today, Alexey Venediktov told us that the negotiations are underway.

We don't see any results.

We don't even see intermediate results.

No, we are talking about Trump now.

We are talking about Trump and we are talking about the fact that

He is the kind of person who promised, in some kind of theoretical way, with some kind of incredible power of America and his personal ability to negotiate, to resolve all the issues and to conclude an effective deal in which all sides will agree on some kind of compromise, Ukraine will not cease to exist,

And at the same time, some kind of process will continue.

He promised all this, and everyone was waiting for him for four months.

He did one thing, then another.

In our article, it is all described in detail.

This is the sequence of Trump's jumping.

And it all ends with him...

he practically admits that he is unable to achieve anything.

In this sense, yes, he looks on the weak side, he does not look as convincing as he was at the beginning, as he tried to imagine himself.

And what the article is about, and what is the key point of this game, is a kind of unwillingness

Trump, to repeat the track, to repeat the strategy that the Biden administration promoted, and most importantly, not to wish to renew military supplies for Ukraine.

And Putin knows very well that Trump is a red mark and a sick spot.

And he plays around with it.

And Putin claims all the time, assures Trump that Putin practically won the war.

And it will really be so, Trump understands, if I, Trump, do not supply weapons to Ukraine.

And I don't want to supply, so Putin won the war.

So you need to agree with what Putin dictates.

That's about it.

That is, you don't believe that through the Trump administration or with his participation or his efforts it will be possible to bring Ukraine and Russia to some kind of peace agreement?

Not at all?

Well, why do you say that?

I don't know.

The future is multi-aspect, multi-planned and unpredictable.

So, for example, I think that it's impossible, it's not the end of the game, because Trump is now depicting that he will get out of these negotiations, that it doesn't concern him, that it's a European business, and my business is the country.

He can't get out of these negotiations, he will still undertake some

will somehow influence him.

I don't know yet about the development of this event.

I'm talking about what we've seen in the last four months that Trump has been in the White House and during which he has taken quite a lot of action in this direction.

These actions were, looked to a considerable extent chaotic, unprofessional, and, as it were, all Trump's moves, Putin easily

parried and crushed his side in his favor, taking advantage of this weakness of Trump, which I said, yes, such an asshole, that it is very important for Trump not to provide new help to Ukraine,

And Putin knows it and plays on it.

You know, today I got a hat from Alexey Venediktov for this question, but I will still ask it to you, because, to be honest, I don't really understand.

It's about Donald Trump's pressure on Russia.

Here we see that Donald Trump has actively pressed on the leadership of Ukraine, that he is pressing on the European Union, but at the same time, as if he is not pressing on Russia, he has a rather calm rhetoric.

Well, maybe this pressure is not carried out in the public space, but somewhere there, or with the help of some geopolitical instruments in other parts of the world, relatively speaking.

It's a wonderful question, a wonderful, wonderful question, very accurate.

And indeed, in the article that we mentioned earlier, this story is told about how Trump, every time when Putin didn't go to

on some conditions, did not give in, there was a situation when Trump seemed to be starting to threaten, to pressure Russia, but immediately, immediately came up with some new trap, which allegedly will give a brilliant effect and which will get rid of him from the need to apply some harsh measures against Russia.

This happened several times.

The first time it happened,

There were several attempts to negotiate with Trump.

The first one was at the beginning of February.

He rejected Keita Kellogg's plan.

Keita Kellogg's plan meant

Pressure on both sides with the help of two tools.

The first tool is that in case Ukraine does not go to negotiations or concessions, we reduce its supply of weapons.

In case Russia does not go to concessions, we expand the supply of weapons to Ukraine.

Plus, if Russia does not make concessions, we increase the economic pressure on sanctions.

This was the plan of Keith Kellogg.

Trump rejected it and came up with his own plan, which began with his call to Putin on February 12, and which was mainly built to avoid the topic of weapons, which played an important role in Kellogg's plan.

And for that, Kellogg was removed from the negotiations.

The first Riyadh track, as it were, agreed to meet in Riyadh.

The negotiations between America and Russia in Riyadh begin on February 18.

Time goes by, nothing moves from its dead point.

They are trying to arrange this very air truce at the end of March.

Russians are intensifying the bombing of Ukrainian cities.

On March 30, Trump says that in general he will carry out 25% duties against Russia if it behaves so badly.

But already on April 3, Dmitriev and Vytautas agree in Washington that Vytautas will go to Moscow for direct negotiations with Putin and will broadcast from there to Trump what Putin wants.

During April, there will be negotiations on this channel with Trump.

Until the end of April, when it becomes clear that Putin does not concede anything, and again everything is at a dead end.

Then the conversation begins again that it is probably necessary to introduce sanctions against Russia.

Lindsey Graham is connected, the administration officials say that they will now introduce sanctions against Russia.

Europeans say, let's demand from Putin a day to stop the fire.

And if he doesn't go, we will impose sanctions.

They go, they tell this to Trump, he agrees, they go to Kiev, they set a day to stop the fire.

Here Putin says, but I don't want to meet Trump, I can go to Istanbul on May 15, just when the tour is over in the Gulf countries.

Trump forgets about the ultimatum, turns on the engines of the plane and waits for two days when Putin says that he can fly to Istanbul.

He again leaves from...

In every situation when she comes out that he needs to put pressure on Putin, Trump...

he deviates, inventing a new conversation track.

In the same way, Trump declares, oh, Putin did not meet with him in Istanbul, he sent him in a rather rude form, after which Trump begins to nod.

I just need to talk to him personally, I need to talk to him personally.

They talked on the phone.

Oh, let Putin forget about the ultimatum, about the end of the day.

Trump just forgot about the fact that negotiations have already begun between Russia and Ukraine in Turkey.

He forgot.

And we see that he is afraid to apply any sanctions against Russia.

Because in fact, what is the problem again?

The problem is that, as Vytkov said, as analysts said, it is pointless to simply strengthen economic sanctions against Russia.

It should be a combination of military support for Ukraine and economic sanctions.

In this combination, you can achieve something.

But since Trump does not want military support for Ukraine, he cannot get on this track.

Because as soon as he now conducts economic sanctions, he will be told that they do not work until you support Ukraine in military relations.

He must depict...

He is depicting a new story now.

He says, oh, and Putin has already practically won the war.

What?

He won the war.

He's all...

It's kind of what explains

In fact, we don't know whether Putin won the war or not.

We don't have any special data on this.

But this is a thesis that Trump is forcing now.

He explains why Trump doesn't want to help Ukraine and why he turns away and offers everyone to agree to Putin's ultimatum.

Because it is beneficial for him to explain now that Putin has already won the war.

Agree to his ultimatum, nothing can be done.

That's about it.

Lisa, any questions?

Putin thinks that he has already won the war, if I understand correctly.

No, Putin sells it to Trump.

Putin knows that Trump... No, no, no.

Didn't Trump say that Putin thinks he has won the war?

Trump said that Putin thinks he has won the war.

Okay, but these are two different theses.

It's not the same thing.

Putin has won the war, and Putin thinks he has won the war.

Putin benefits from selling Trump and the whole world the story that he won the war.

But we don't have such facts in our hands.

This is Putin's idea, based on which he offers others to build their strategies on this issue.

And what is his final goal?

What is he waiting for, Vladimir Putin?

Who?

Putin?

Vladimir Putin.

Immortality or a place in the mausoleum?

No, in the history of Ukraine.

That is, Bloomberg, in my opinion, recently published a material that he is waiting until the end of the year for the capture of all territories that are included in the Russian Constitution.

Well, Aydar, I don't know.

It's pointless to discuss what Putin is waiting for.

He can wait for anything.

Well, what is the question here?

Probably, he is waiting for the fact that after Biden's package is exhausted by the middle of the year, he will be better off going to the front.

Which is not a fact.

But he has a reason to sell it as some important strategy.

Причем тянет вот до того момента.

Well, yes, yes, yes.

He is guided by the fact that things will get worse in Ukraine.

There are two factors here.

The first factor is that, indeed, American aid will be exhausted at some point.

The second factor is, so to speak, the factor of internal mobilization.

If, for example, they come to you and say, okay, dude, you have 50 billion for military needs next year.

We promise you that.

You can plan, you can understand how your defense will be arranged, what, how, where it will be.

Sometimes it's a completely different feeling of people, who are also people, and the army, and the political class, who are very tired of the war.

But they know, yes, there are 50 billion, this year we will pass like this.

Or they say, nothing is known.

What kind of money will there be?

There will be no money from America, from Europe, it is not clear whether there will be or not.

This is a completely different story.

Putin believes that in this different story there are two factors.

the psychological fatigue, the weakening of external support and the exhaustion of the flow of weapons from the United States, they will lead to the fact that the Ukrainian front will weaken, and it will attack much more actively than last year, when for a whole year of the Russian army's offensive,

Approximately 0.7, 0.6, 0.8 percent, 1 percent of the territory of Ukraine.

Mr. Kirillovich, please explain to me, I'm sorry, Lisa, I don't know, why Donald Trump can't impose sanctions against Putin, go against him, put pressure on him publicly, what prevents him?

Well, I think we've been talking about this for 20 minutes.

No, he already has tools, for sure.

Well, I told him about it, so that he has a reasonable strategy.

A reasonable strategy is that you provide Ukraine, you say that you provide military supplies for this year, and then you increase the sanctions against Moscow.

If this combination exists, it will work.

Some sanctions will be weak, because

Well, as if sanctions do not give an effect.

Sanctions give an effect on the economy.

This is a long effect.

For this, while this long effect works, you should have an understanding that Putin, that he is on...

It's a bad situation for him.

It's a dead end.

It's an opportunity to defeat some complex political defeat.

If it's just a kind of sanction, he can stand, even if they are reinforced, he counts a year, for this year to inflict defeat on Ukraine.

Therefore, once again, it works in combination.

And Trump knows this.

But he absolutely does not want to resume military assistance, extend it, and is trying to somehow arrange it.

Without this elephant in the room.

And no one talks about this elephant.

But it doesn't suit.

Well, I think I've already told you about it.

Or do you mean something else?

I'm sorry, maybe I just don't catch up, as they say.

Why can't he increase military aid?

What's the problem?

He doesn't want to.

He doesn't want to.

Why doesn't he want to?

This is a good question.

There are several interpretations of why this is happening, and they are discussed in the article.

there is a position of isolation.

There are several concepts.

In general, this whole war was invented by China to drag America into a confrontation with Russia, into a military conflict with Russia.

China will be on the side, and these sides will bear significant costs in this conflict, and China will be a central geopolitical force at the end of the conflict, which will

China plays a role here.

The United States played a role in the Second World War.

A country that is not directly involved in conflict, stands a little in the country, helps one side, turns out to be on the side of the winners,

... ... ... ...

not to allow this scenario.

In fact, Biden's administration strategy also came from this position, that we must help Ukraine without allowing the possibility of realizing this scenario, when Russia pulls the United States into a direct conflict, and China wins.

And that's why Biden, the whole sequence of Biden, the so-called one, for which he was criticized, and all who are not lazy, it was that it was necessary to balance on this edge.

Trump, for Trump, who has always held this strategy, on which the light stands, the main thing is to show that there is another winning strategy.

And so he's trying to build another winning strategy, saying all the way that what Biden did was terrible and horrible.

But in fact, what Biden did, as we see, when Trump tried to lay out another deck, it turned out that you have to do exactly what Biden did.

And this shocks Trump.

And he will better give Ukraine to Putin than he will do what Biden did.

That's about it.

I don't understand.

I'm listening carefully.

I don't understand why in the context of everything that's happening we can't say that Putin won.

Why can't you say that Putin won?

Well, look, we're not talking about the fact that for Putin, victory is necessarily the capture of all of Ukraine, because it seems to him that he doesn't really need it.

He needs to strengthen his influence, he wants to leave his captured regions.

Well, in any case, I have such an impression.

We don't know what's going on in Putin's head.

He wants Ukraine to be weakened and be in the zone of influence of Russia, or at least not to directly join NATO, the European Union, and so on.

As if Putin has every chance to stay in these positions, not to give up anything, to get everything he wants, if Ukraine is not supported by the United States, if the European Union is even more tired of financial burden and will not be able to continue to provide the same help to Ukraine, well, Putin has everything in his chocolate.

No, in fact, in all the negotiations, let me explain it, but I'll probably run away, because I'm late, on another line.

So, the whole question of negotiations and some kind of agreement, to this day, comes down to one position.

Well, that is, there is such a fake demand from Russia to give her those territories that she has already written down for herself.

In principle, Russia can be crushed, well, it would be possible to throw it away, although Trump demonstrates such weakness that Russia constantly increases its... During the negotiation process, Trump managed to conduct it in such an idiotic way that Russia constantly raises claims, not changing anything at the front.

And Trump will go into the history of diplomacy with this confusion with Putin, and not at all with the agreements of Abraham.

In fact, there is one key and fundamental question.

These are the requirements of Russia

the demilitarization of Ukraine, that is, by restricting its capabilities as a military power, by restricting the assistance that it will be provided by military cooperation with Europe, and so that it is not strong.

This is an absolutely unacceptable requirement.

And, as it were, well, with reason, as it were, with politics of the average degree of reason, as was Biden's policy,

based on the possibilities and restrictions, this question would not have arisen at all.

This question does not exist.

But with the idiotic and unprofessional diplomacy that Trump has established, now they impose this requirement and everything rests on it.

This is completely unacceptable, because Ukraine

It's okay that it won't return these territories now, and that it will be like that.

But Ukraine will not be able to recover in any way.

It will not be able to recover, it will not be able to join the EU, it will not have a future.

Because a threat of a new invasion will be imposed on it all the time, which will paralyze the economy, paralyze investments, and, in general, it will be such a ghostly existence that cannot be allowed.

Well, this is the problem around which there is a struggle.

Kirill Yurievich, do you have another 2-3 minutes, please?

One.

One.

One, even one.

Oh, I don't know, but it's a matter of publishers.

RERUSH is so focused.

We won't have time, we won't have time.

It's a pity.

Alas, alas.

I would discuss it more.

Thank you very much.

Kirill Rogov, project manager and director of the RERUSH project, was on the air of the morning show.

Thank you for finding the time for us.

Bye.

Thank you.

I feel it's undisputed, undisputed, undisputed, undisputed, undisputed, undisputed, and so on.

Well, no, in fact, you know, the argument that Trump does not want to continue military assistance and so on, it seems to me that he does not want to repeat the policy of Joe Biden, it seems to me that it is quite acceptable.

Probably so, because how else would he explain to his voters if he just followed in the footsteps of Joe Biden and admitted that the policy of the previous administration was quite necessary, if he considered it that way.

Therefore, yes, this argument can be accepted, but what is in the head of Donald Trump and what is in the head of Vladimir Putin, here we have two people with you on the international arena, in whose heads it is clear not to climb, as in the head of any person, and it is also very difficult to understand their motives, and this often creates absolute chaos.

And so we follow the same European leaders who are right from head to toe, from head to toe, as bureaucrats say, and follow a certain plan that was written, agreed 10,000 times, and a working group was created to create working groups and the like, and that they actually remain, roughly speaking, in fools.

because Trump and Putin are circling them and they are absolutely unpredictable leaders.

Let's say goodbye to the book.

Let's say a few words.

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Well, that's true, yes, that's true.

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We will present a new number to Sergey Budman.

The number really turned out to be very interesting.

Andropov, yes, and during Andropov's time, probably many of our viewers remember those times and it will be doubly more interesting to read.

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Yes, and you know, I follow the news, just what is happening right now, and I see that here, for example, Rosaviation has limited the operation of the Domodedovo airport, and time restrictions in the operation of the Internet and services are introduced in the Orlov region due to the ongoing attacks of drones.

In general, today's story, yesterday's, apparently, continues, repeats, yes, be careful, please.

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